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Genevieve wrote:

deadly habit wrote:i think the only dj who plays vinyl atm who scratches while cueing is capital j

How do you mean scratching while cueing? Scratching and then letting go of the record beatmatched?

Yeah, scratching into the beat and dropping it on the one. It's a very common technique if you have rhythm...

Seen more in hip-hop, jungle etc. Not so much in house or techno.

Yeah I've seen it a few times, it's ill. My favorite DJ, Mark N, does it a lot (well, he's a former DMC champion so duh).

This thread makes me so happy that vinyl is obsolete and beatmatching is on its way out.

Attila wrote:This thread makes me so happy that vinyl is obsolete and beatmatching is on its way out.

Out to the trainwreck crew. Out to the kids with software and sync buttons with no concept of history or music programming crew.

mks wrote:

Attila wrote:This thread makes me so happy that vinyl is obsolete and beatmatching is on its way out.

Out to the trainwreck crew. Out to the kids with software and sync buttons with no concept of history or music programming crew.

mks wrote:

Attila wrote:This thread makes me so happy that vinyl is obsolete and beatmatching is on its way out.

Out to the trainwreck crew. Out to the kids with software and sync buttons with no concept of history or music programming crew.

Checking in. Why don't you inform us on what we're missing out on?

The question is kind of vague but I will posit a response. Good DJ's.

VirusTI wrote:

mks wrote:

Attila wrote:This thread makes me so happy that vinyl is obsolete and beatmatching is on its way out.

Out to the trainwreck crew. Out to the kids with software and sync buttons with no concept of history or music programming crew.

Checking in. Why don't you inform us on what we're missing out on?

He thinks good DJs spend their gigs with their heads under a table flicking through records and manually cueing songs while the rest of us that just want to play our tracks and enjoy the crowd are clueless about production/ all other music related subjects.

Attila wrote:

VirusTI wrote:

mks wrote:

Attila wrote:This thread makes me so happy that vinyl is obsolete and beatmatching is on its way out.

Out to the trainwreck crew. Out to the kids with software and sync buttons with no concept of history or music programming crew.

Checking in. Why don't you inform us on what we're missing out on?

He thinks good DJs spend their gigs with their heads under a table flicking through records and manually cueing songs while the rest of us that just want to play our tracks and enjoy the crowd are clueless about production/ all other music related subjects.

Attila wrote:

VirusTI wrote:

mks wrote:

Attila wrote:This thread makes me so happy that vinyl is obsolete and beatmatching is on its way out.

Out to the trainwreck crew. Out to the kids with software and sync buttons with no concept of history or music programming crew.

Checking in. Why don't you inform us on what we're missing out on?

He thinks good DJs spend their gigs with their heads under a table flicking through records and manually cueing songs while the rest of us that just want to play our tracks and enjoy the crowd are clueless about production/ all other music related subjects.

wow kid. if you can't accept the idea of physically mixing music and would rather have a computer do for you than that makes you a pretty wack "dj". seriously, physically beatmatching with your hands is a more reward feeling already. you're missing out on genuine self gratification

Attila wrote:

VirusTI wrote:

mks wrote:

Attila wrote:This thread makes me so happy that vinyl is obsolete and beatmatching is on its way out.

Out to the trainwreck crew. Out to the kids with software and sync buttons with no concept of history or music programming crew.

Checking in. Why don't you inform us on what we're missing out on?

He thinks good DJs spend their gigs with their heads under a table flicking through records and manually cueing songs while the rest of us that just want to play our tracks and enjoy the crowd are clueless about production/ all other music related subjects.

Yeah aslong as the female members of the crowd are getting seen to at the front then it doesnt matter whetehr the dj is with the beat ya get me.

Alls good, I'm gettin paper.

MassAphekt wrote:

Attila wrote:

VirusTI wrote:

mks wrote:

Attila wrote:This thread makes me so happy that vinyl is obsolete and beatmatching is on its way out.

Out to the trainwreck crew. Out to the kids with software and sync buttons with no concept of history or music programming crew.

Checking in. Why don't you inform us on what we're missing out on?

He thinks good DJs spend their gigs with their heads under a table flicking through records and manually cueing songs while the rest of us that just want to play our tracks and enjoy the crowd are clueless about production/ all other music related subjects.

wow kid. if you can't accept the idea of physically mixing music and would rather have a computer do for you than that makes you a pretty wack "dj". seriously, physically beatmatching with your hands is a more reward feeling already. you're missing out on genuine self gratification

I think what makes a weaker DJ is someone that thinks increasingly outdated methods of essentially hitting play are what separates good from unacceptable DJs. Or maybe not weaker as a dj, but pretentious and weaker mentally. Beatgridding and syncing tracks is just another way to ensure a performance goes smoothly, even though beatmatching isnt that much harder, its just a mindless activity that takes your focus off the crowd. There's no reward in it, if you do it right your set doesn't trainwreck, youre just kinda ridiculous for taking that chance in the first place. I'd say if sync existed back when most DJs didnt produce it would be a lazy excuse, but most of us have put in the hundreds and thousands of hours in the studio to play out. I view gigs as the reward.

This is all kind of meaningless though because I still view calling musicians DJs as derogatory.

sup deadmouse

Paris Hilton's a dj, shows the amount of talent it takes!

Attila wrote: I think what makes a weaker DJ is someone that thinks increasingly outdated methods of essentially hitting play are what separates good from unacceptable DJs. Or maybe not weaker as a dj, but pretentious and weaker mentally. Beatgridding and syncing tracks is just another way to ensure a performance goes smoothly, even though beatmatching isnt that much harder, its just a mindless activity that takes your focus off the crowd. There's no reward in it, if you do it right your set doesn't trainwreck, youre just kinda ridiculous for taking that chance in the first place. I'd say if sync existed back when most DJs didnt produce it would be a lazy excuse, but most of us have put in the hundreds and thousands of hours in the studio to play out. I view gigs as the reward.

This is all kind of meaningless though because I still view calling musicians DJs as derogatory.

I dont know if your taking the piss or not, but id say that by the time you get good enough to dj out, beatmatching is no longer a problem, so it should take the djs focus off the crowd, if it is, then they shouldnt be playing out really. Id think of someone who does do beatmatching as better, as because they took the time to learn how to beatmatch, then I'd expect them to also have spent time learning how to mix in good phrases, know how to structure mixes, and also know more about the music they are playing. Rather than some shitty kid who just wants to drop his favourite bangers next to each other. I know someone who did try and mix with the sync, and it doesnt always work correctly. Just because it syncs the tempo, doesnt mean it syncs it to the right beat.

MassAphekt wrote:

Attila wrote:

VirusTI wrote:

mks wrote: Out to the trainwreck crew. Out to the kids with software and sync buttons with no concept of history or music programming crew.

Checking in. Why don't you inform us on what we're missing out on?

He thinks good DJs spend their gigs with their heads under a table flicking through records and manually cueing songs while the rest of us that just want to play our tracks and enjoy the crowd are clueless about production/ all other music related subjects.

wow kid. if you can't accept the idea of physically mixing music and would rather have a computer do for you than that makes you a pretty wack "dj". seriously, physically beatmatching with your hands is a more reward feeling already. you're missing out on genuine self gratification

I think what makes a weaker DJ is someone that thinks increasingly outdated methods of essentially hitting play are what separates good from unacceptable DJs. Or maybe not weaker as a dj, but pretentious and weaker mentally. Beatgridding and syncing tracks is just another way to ensure a performance goes smoothly, even though beatmatching isnt that much harder, its just a mindless activity that takes your focus off the crowd. There's no reward in it, if you do it right your set doesn't trainwreck, youre just kinda ridiculous for taking that chance in the first place. I'd say if sync existed back when most DJs didnt produce it would be a lazy excuse, but most of us have put in the hundreds and thousands of hours in the studio to play out. I view gigs as the reward.

This is all kind of meaningless though because I still view calling musicians DJs as derogatory.

actually it used to be actual djs who performed and not producers, there is nothing worse than seeing a producer booked as a headliner who can't dj worth a shit who is touring vs someone who actually can and took the time to learn to spin but gets only opening slots
if you think that sync buttons and such are acceptable, than you might as well see a jukebox or someone playing a prerecorded mix

VirtualMark wrote:Paris Hilton's a dj, shows the amount of talent it takes!
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Yeah but it's premixed. Mistabishi did a better job of hiding it lol.

This thread makes me sad
Honestly, I love DJing with Vinyl. Its what I do
Doesnt mean that im never gonna invest in or use CDJ/MIDI controllers. Also, It doesnt mean that the people using those methods are any better or worse. Theyre just going about things in a different way.
The fact of the matter is they are a lot more functional and easier to use, Infact my first DJ experience was using a DJ controller. Thats what made me wanna go further and invest in an actual set up
Obviously though, people should stop using the sync button, its a cop out and doesnt work all the time