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paradigm_x · Post by **paradigm_x** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:15 pm

Cheeky wrote:mate everybody started out like that once, if nobodys willing to help them, how is anyone ever gonna get that knowledge. i admit theres a lot of retarded questions flying about but for the most part these are dealt with pretty quickly by mods, it isnt a crime for someone to not know a thing about producing and sign up here to learn is it

years ago, before the internet, you got some kit, and fucked about with it for days, months, years to figure it all out. no one to ask how to do it, or to sound like shrillex etc.

people want spoonfeeding if they cant make a decent sound in 30 minutes now with a whole raft of downloaded plugins.

I, and many others, are happy to help when people seem to have made an effort but no one seems to try much any more. instant gratification seems to be expected.

it took me a year and a half to save up for my first synth FWIW.

yeah yeah, stfu granddad etc.

outdropt · Post by **outdropt** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:18 pm

JBE wrote:You need to understand that most of the people that are helping a lot of the newer producers were at one point at that same level. Some of them may have even posted several non-legitimate questions before eventually attaining the knowledge required to post interesting ones. I don't think there's anything wrong with those threads. It's just a matter of not reading them or simply telling the person that what they are asking is not going to get answered for whatever reason.

By forcing people to have a specific level of knowledge before joining this forum would literally kill it. If they are ostracized in such a way when they first get here they will find somewhere else. Eventually the older members will fade as they always do and there will be no newer members to take their place. DSF has helped me so much, and so many others as well. It would be a shame to see it die like that.

But, for instance... I want to learn how to make a drum sound (this is and example), i am not going to ask... How do i make this drum sound. I will research what a drum sound consists of, then i will find some videos on how it is done. Read up on good VST's to produce this sound. And then maybe ask, what the community thinks is a good VST for doing this or maybe some techniques on how to produce certain sounds.

Only after i acquired a set amount of information to understand what is being suggested by the community do i then ask the question.

It seems like some people here are looking for quick answers, but its like opening Pandora's box. You answer one thing and all of a sudden its "what does xxx and xxx mean, I've never heard of xxx explain more" Now you sit and answer all these questions, meanwhile there are tons of place this guy could search to find the answer's your giving + loads more information.

Reinventing the Wheel for no reason and wasting time while doing so.

@ today, mind checking this one for grammatical errors?

ehbes · Post by **ehbes** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:22 pm

^ that whole scenario with the drum sound is a terrible example of how people ask for sound design tips

antman · Post by **antman** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:25 pm

I think you need to realize this forum is to LEARN how to produce dubstep.

What your saying is only have people here who know how? That makes no sense.

Get over the fact that some people don't know as much you or anyone else.

Maybe someone wants to sound like skrillex? Maybe someone wants to sound like mala? What the fuck does it matter, were all here to learn and share information.

At this point you might even want to close the entire forum down completely, I wouldn't be surprised.

EDIT: OP: AND judging by your tunes, if there WAS a high level forum YOU SIR would sure as hell not be included in it, or me for that fact, but I don't really care.

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:41 pm

paradigm x wrote:
Cheeky wrote:mate everybody started out like that once, if nobodys willing to help them, how is anyone ever gonna get that knowledge. i admit theres a lot of retarded questions flying about but for the most part these are dealt with pretty quickly by mods, it isnt a crime for someone to not know a thing about producing and sign up here to learn is it
years ago, before the internet, you got some kit, and fucked about with it for days, months, years to figure it all out. no one to ask how to do it, or to sound like shrillex etc.

people want spoonfeeding if they cant make a decent sound in 30 minutes now with a whole raft of downloaded plugins.

I, and many others, are happy to help when people seem to have made an effort but no one seems to try much any more. instant gratification seems to be expected.

it took me a year and a half to save up for my first synth FWIW.

yeah yeah, stfu granddad etc.

this, so much this
the worst part is half don't even want to know how it's made, or the synthesis theory and processing it takes, but rather a specific preset for a certain synth
it's why the responses here have slipped in quality so much as it goes on, because those of us who actually care about sound know the effort it takes to learn and even holding out a bible on how to learn synthesis so you can experiment and make this sound yourself isn't good enough for the instant gratification crew

i think what OP is getting at is having a sub board for the more advanced stuff, which i'm all for, because at this point it's an uphill battle, and honestly there should be some screening for who gets to post on it, because there are farrrr too many kids here who learn a few production terms without knowing what they mean or how to use them and spout them off like they're a magical solution to everything (compression, frequency splitting, resampling for starters)
honestly one of the first things i check if someone is giving a piece of advice is a tune if one is in their sig, and half the time it makes me say, yup ignore everything this assclown says

Today · Post by **Today** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:50 pm

i learned everything I was ever "taught" from this board. No one has ever sat down with me IRL to show me processes or how to write, how to produce or mix anything

I learned synthesis, mix techniques, arrangement, tip-offs for plugin sales to get good deals and good results, got new ideas about how to sound the way i wanted to sound, and got ideas for new sounds i might like working with.
I got insight as to how other people do their work

but at some point, there's nothing left to gain from the forum, and I'm not learning from anything except by DOING. making new tracks, designing my own sounds, listening to what i like, etc. My point is, an advanced production forum serves no function. Most of us know better than to sit here chatting shop when we've read and written everything we had to already. At that level, the only thing we ought to be doing is tearing up the Dubs board, getting and giving feedback on finished tunes, and that's it. Thats the only activity that's beneficial to the "advanced" production members.

I still want to talk about gear and i still read and learn from production threads, but my point is, again, that there is NO function for an "advanced production" sub-forum. If anything, that's exactly what "dubs" ought to be, and if there's any forum that ought to filter out the noobs, it's Dubs. And i still don't think they should bar anyone from posting, I just think that activity on better tunes ought to push the shit to the bottom and we could do a lot more to post and discuss good tunes on there, technically and stylistically.

NinjaEdit · Post by **NinjaEdit** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:51 pm

Maybe sticky a dumb questions thread.

JBE · Post by **JBE** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:52 pm

outdropt wrote:
JBE wrote:You need to understand that most of the people that are helping a lot of the newer producers were at one point at that same level. Some of them may have even posted several non-legitimate questions before eventually attaining the knowledge required to post interesting ones. I don't think there's anything wrong with those threads. It's just a matter of not reading them or simply telling the person that what they are asking is not going to get answered for whatever reason.

By forcing people to have a specific level of knowledge before joining this forum would literally kill it. If they are ostracized in such a way when they first get here they will find somewhere else. Eventually the older members will fade as they always do and there will be no newer members to take their place. DSF has helped me so much, and so many others as well. It would be a shame to see it die like that.

But, for instance... I want to learn how to make a drum sound (this is and example), i am not going to ask... How do i make this drum sound. I will research what a drum sound consists of, then i will find some videos on how it is done. Read up on good VST's to produce this sound. And then maybe ask, what the community thinks is a good VST for doing this or maybe some techniques on how to produce certain sounds.

Only after i acquired a set amount of information to understand what is being suggested by the community do i then ask the question.

It seems like some people here are looking for quick answers, but its like opening Pandora's box. You answer one thing and all of a sudden its "what does xxx and xxx mean, I've never heard of xxx explain more" Now you sit and answer all these questions, meanwhile there are tons of place this guy could search to find the answer's your giving + loads more information.

Reinventing the Wheel for no reason and wasting time while doing so.

@ today, mind checking this one for grammatical errors?

Well what you are explaining is exactly what this person will find online. By actually answering those questions you've now created a source of information that could eventually be pulled up by many other people asking those same questions. With all the research you would do, most information you'll find on those subjects will be from places where people asked those questions before you. I think this particular scenario is actually a perfectly legitimate topic to be discussed on a forum like this.

I understand what you are saying though. It would be great if more people took the time to just go learn this stuff by searching for it. I think most of the people that will actually stick around and progress would be those willing to put that time in from the beginning. In most cases I think that is true. The people that come in and just ask for handouts and post the "how do I sound like skrillex" threads are people that have no idea what they are doing and are trying to do this because it's cool. Most of them have no real commitment to it and therefore will probably not last more than a couple months.

If this was the 90s and this was a hip-hop forum people would be asking how to make sick beats like Tupac or Wu-Tang Clan. It's just how it is. We may have to endure some shitty threads but they are easy to ignore.

efence · Post by **efence** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 5:03 pm

antman wrote:I think you need to realize this forum is to LEARN how to produce dubstep.

What your saying is only have people here who know how? That makes no sense.

is this forum for LEARNING how to produce dubstep?

if it is most of us who have been producing for a number of years would leave. My self for example come on here for discussion, inspiration, conversation, challenges and to just be part of a community(Almost all my partners that produce stoped years ago when they bought a house or had kids).

OfficialDAPT · Post by **OfficialDAPT** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 5:11 pm

efence wrote:
antman wrote:I think you need to realize this forum is to LEARN how to produce dubstep.

What your saying is only have people here who know how? That makes no sense.

is this forum for LEARNING how to produce dubstep?

if it is most of us who have been producing for a number of years would leave. My self for example come on here for discussion, inspiration, conversation, challenges and to just be part of a community(Almost all my partners that produce stoped years ago when they bought a house or had kids).

I learned how to do alot of shit from this form. I was that guy that asked if "insert stupid question here"... I think we all forgot what is was like to be knowledge-less. However, there still are those people who want you to do everything for them, those are the threads you post alpacas on.

outdropt · Post by **outdropt** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 5:26 pm

I was being a little harsh in the beginning but reading a few post the past couple of days were just getting me ticked off,

But seriously, there should be a place on DSF for advanced production.

If you dont like it dont post there, but it should be an option.

Fat Person Torturer · Post by **Fat Person Torturer** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 6:23 pm

outdropt wrote:I was being a little harsh in the beginning but reading a few post the past couple of days were just getting me ticked off,

But seriously, there should be a place on DSF for advanced production.

If you dont like it dont post there, but it should be an option.

But how would they filter out "stupid questions?" What determines if something is an advanced question or if it's a stupid question? I think this would cause more problems then it would solve.

My proposed solution: Maybe a sub forum where you need a certain number of posts to be able to post in it. That way when a newer account has a "stupid question" it will be posted in the production forum and then the intermediate producers who haven't met the post requirement for the advanced forum but have been producing for a little bit and know their way around a daw or vst can help out the newer producers thus accumulating posts.

I think this idea would help promote more helpful posts in the production forum. Plus it doesnt necessarily exclude anyone because you would still be able to read the advanced production forum, just not post in it.

Also I just ignore the posts that ask for spoonfeeding doesn't seem to bother me that much.

I made this post off the top of my head theres probably flaws with this system so go ahead and point them out.

EDIT: Also I could care less what they would do about this just throwing in my two cents. But preferably they dont change anything because IMO the production forum isnt that bad when you just ignore posts that dont appeal to you.

xbubbax · Post by **xbubbax** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 6:26 pm

outdropt wrote:Ive been lurking here for about a year, maybe a little longer.

Ive noticed recently there has a been a trending topics of complete shit. Where some guy that has only posted twice, is asking for some bullshit nobody wants to help them with. Just completely pointless garbage, that nobody comments on, or has a serious answer for.

I feel like there is a need for sorting threw the trash and leaving the well though out sincere posts up.

I was thinking maybe like a questionnaire before you sign up asking some basic/mid level production questions before you can even join DSF (questions that couldnt be answered by a google search). Or creating a Board for high level production topics, and regulating strictly who posts there.

I mean I know that would be a lot of work to put together, but im sure it would be much appreciated by a lot of the seniors that still login and post.

If this doesnt work out, i think all seniors in DSF should burn the shit out of some of these restarted questions, just because of the over-saturation.

-Evan

so would this post be considered....becasue its a fucking waste of time.....just like trolling through posts to see if 1 new user posted something stupid in the forums. if you dont read the forum rules.....then your post gets treated as if you didnt read the forum rules. pretty basic....

the boards do this on their own if you dont answer a "dumb post" it get set back until its 20 pages deep. sooo.....lets just sit back and let the boards get rid of this post.

outdropt · Post by **outdropt** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 7:17 pm

Augment · Post by **Augment** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 7:29 pm

Most of those threads werent bad and had some good tips in them, I really think you should read them after listening to your tunes

OfficialDAPT · Post by **OfficialDAPT** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 7:30 pm

^^There'd be alot of good questions too. You cant just say only the bad ones and not account for the other side of the equation

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 7:37 pm

one thing i'd like to see go is the what should i buy threads
there are plenty of magazines and dedicated sites with user reviews on pieces of gear
and then there are those should i buy x or y, where x and y are used in completely different studio applications (like a midi controller vs an interface for example)
odds are if it's a what DAW should i get thread the responses you get are going to be, surprise what that user responding uses, same for gear because they don't want to think they made a poor investment or it works fine for them while it sucks for others
you're not going to actually know what pair of monitors or headphones works for you the best from words on a forum, go out and audition them shits and research em

if you don't know what you want for your studio and have money burning a hole in your pocket my paypal is mhigbee420@gmail.com
i'll gladly take some it off your hands and put it to good use

JTreeZY · Post by **JTreeZY** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:18 pm

Its easy enouph to just ignore a thread

Today · Post by **Today** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:21 pm

JTreeZY wrote:Its easy enouph to just ignore a thread

Reversed · Post by **Reversed** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:25 pm

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