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that sums it up!

I say just go for it. Unknowingly bastardize and insult the genre as much as you can by adding your own ignorant spin on it. Like when actors refuse to read source material on characters they're playing so they're their own.

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AxeD wrote:Thought you meant like deep house and stuff. Guetta is closer to skrillex than to the average deep house track.

There are some american definitions where:

Everything = Techno
Techno with vocals = house

But they are ridiculous. Like wormcode said, Frankie Knuckles n stuff. But there also a lot of modern day equivalents.

Its really depressing how dismissive/clueless most Americans seem to be about dance music, especially considering how they pretty much invented it.

I met a guy from detroit last year who seemed to have no idea that techno originated there (however, he had been to a "techno" show recently though "some people were calling it dub stop?")

bkwsk wrote:

AxeD wrote:Frankie Knuckles n stuff

Knuckles, Negro, Pooley, Tonka, Ben Watt, Shapeshifters, Hott 22, Falke, Axwell...

IDK, I can hardly think of house as being techno with vocals. Impossible for me.

Me neither, seems crazy but Youtube comments don't lie

Attila wrote:I say just go for it. Unknowingly bastardize and insult the genre as much as you can by adding your own ignorant spin on it. Like when actors refuse to read source material on characters they're playing so they're their own.

like george clooney as batman?

yeah sorry for bringing guetta up its like bringing skrillex into a discussion about scorn

hutyluty wrote:

AxeD wrote:Thought you meant like deep house and stuff. Guetta is closer to skrillex than to the average deep house track.

There are some american definitions where:

Everything = Techno
Techno with vocals = house

But they are ridiculous. Like wormcode said, Frankie Knuckles n stuff. But there also a lot of modern day equivalents.

Its really depressing how dismissive/clueless most Americans seem to be about dance music, especially considering how they pretty much invented it.

I met a guy from detroit last year who seemed to have no idea that techno originated there (however, he had been to a "techno" show recently though "some people were calling it dub stop?")

AxeD and hutyluty, have you ever been to America?

Because those are some broad stereotypes you have going on there. I love how you all love to cut Americans from the same swath of cloth. There are loads of househeads and technoheads here. You will find them mostly in the cities. I'm not going to deny that there are a lot of clueless people that don't know electronic music, but there are loads of those people in Europe and England as well.

Which brings me back to the OP. Make what you want, but if you are going to make some music that you know nothing about and then say you are never going to make it again, then why bother? Just go to the house section of this board to see how mis-appropriated that term is, which is kind of an insult to all of the people who have spent years building that scene.

mks wrote:AxeD and hutyluty, have you ever been to America?

Because those are some broad stereotypes you have going on there. I love how you all love to cut Americans from the same swath of cloth. There are loads of househeads and technoheads here. You will find them mostly in the cities. I'm not going to deny that there are a lot of clueless people that don't know electronic music, but there are loads of those people in Europe and England as well.

Which brings me back to the OP. Make what you want, but if you are going to make some music that you know nothing about and then say you are never going to make it again, then why bother? Just go to the house section of this board to see how mis-appropriated that term is, which is kind of an insult to all of the people who have spent years building that scene.

It is a broad general statement, but it's not untrue lol. I think it's clear they meant the general mainstream MTV type people. They surely know there's dedicated people in the states, as there are everywhere.
Reminds me when I met this girl in LA who had a shirt that said I <3 HOUSE. The convo got around to naming fav tracks and artists, and she called out deadmouse tracks. I got her to check out some Chicago tracks and she called it too boring and slow. Good times

mks wrote:

hutyluty wrote:

AxeD wrote:Thought you meant like deep house and stuff. Guetta is closer to skrillex than to the average deep house track.

There are some american definitions where:

Everything = Techno
Techno with vocals = house

But they are ridiculous. Like wormcode said, Frankie Knuckles n stuff. But there also a lot of modern day equivalents.

Its really depressing how dismissive/clueless most Americans seem to be about dance music, especially considering how they pretty much invented it.

I met a guy from detroit last year who seemed to have no idea that techno originated there (however, he had been to a "techno" show recently though "some people were calling it dub stop?")

AxeD and hutyluty, have you ever been to America?

Because those are some broad stereotypes you have going on there. I love how you all love to cut Americans from the same swath of cloth. There are loads of househeads and technoheads here. You will find them mostly in the cities. I'm not going to deny that there are a lot of clueless people that don't know electronic music, but there are loads of those people in Europe and England as well.

Which brings me back to the OG. Make what you want, but if you are going to make some music that you know nothing about and then say you are never going to make it again, then why bother? Just go to the house section of this board to see how mis-appropriated that term is, which is kind of an insult to all of the people who have spent years building that scene.

i highly doubt that i can insult anybody in the internet i mean you see insults every 5 seconds you get even insults in a video about new born kittens
but if i insulted anybody i am internet sorry

My point is that I'm not going to make some stupid beat in Fruity Loops and call it Jazz because I have too much respect for the music.

haha i get what you mean man it was just that i felt to start something "houseesc" and wasnt sure how to approach it.
its more that i dont know much about it productionwise so it was more of a general question about how to approach any genre
and i dont hate on house its just that i dont think that i will keep my main interest on it productionwise
its like i like listening to neo classic but i dont have the skills to pull it off but for that comp the vibe of the tune i am starting fits so far

wormcode wrote:

mks wrote:AxeD and hutyluty, have you ever been to America?

Because those are some broad stereotypes you have going on there. I love how you all love to cut Americans from the same swath of cloth. There are loads of househeads and technoheads here. You will find them mostly in the cities. I'm not going to deny that there are a lot of clueless people that don't know electronic music, but there are loads of those people in Europe and England as well.

Which brings me back to the OP. Make what you want, but if you are going to make some music that you know nothing about and then say you are never going to make it again, then why bother? Just go to the house section of this board to see how mis-appropriated that term is, which is kind of an insult to all of the people who have spent years building that scene.

It is a broad general statement, but it's not untrue lol. I think it's clear they meant the general mainstream MTV type people. They surely know there's dedicated people in the states, as there are everywhere.
Reminds me when I met this girl in LA who had a shirt that said I <3 HOUSE. The convo got around to naming fav tracks and artists, and she called out deadmouse tracks. I got her to check out some Chicago tracks and she called it too boring and slow. Good times

I feel you, and I know those people are out there but just to be clear, not all Americans are like that.

Sometimes I feel that the people making these sort of comments have never even been here, and therefore do not really understand the sheer size of this place and the regional differences that go with that. I mean, my state is bigger than both of those countries and your state is bigger than all of Western Europe. Not that this has anything to do with music, but within that same space in Europe, you will go through several different languages and cultures.

mks wrote:My point is that I'm not going to make some stupid beat in Fruity Loops and call it Jazz...

This I have done

P.S. Like all British people my teeth look like that.

P.S.S. Getting butthurt over music is kool

OP do what the fuck you want, but never do what anyone on DSF tells you to do

3za wrote:OP do what the fuck you want, but never do what anyone on DSF tells you to do

shit now it gets paradox if i would follow your advice i would do what you tell me and by doing so i would do what somebody from DSF tells me to do

SPL was known as only a dnb producer for years and then released an industrial hardcore 12". Pure industrial hardcore. He HARDLY listened to any hardcore, it's just kinda what he heard associating with the Outside Agency and shit. Anyway, that 12" is a stone cold classic in industrial hardcore right now.

Sometimes, approaching a genre from a different angle where you haven't been exposed to the clichés and typical tips and tricks that the style if known for can make for some awesome results. In way, you'll be able to write whatever tune you like and not make the same mistakes other house producers make. Maybe you'll make your own mistakes, which may be nice to hear as well.

Even if you are planning to eventually get nto more house, postpone it after finishing the tune. Might be interesting to hear.

mks wrote:

hutyluty wrote:

AxeD wrote:Thought you meant like deep house and stuff. Guetta is closer to skrillex than to the average deep house track.

There are some american definitions where:

Everything = Techno
Techno with vocals = house

But they are ridiculous. Like wormcode said, Frankie Knuckles n stuff. But there also a lot of modern day equivalents.

Its really depressing how dismissive/clueless most Americans seem to be about dance music, especially considering how they pretty much invented it.

I met a guy from detroit last year who seemed to have no idea that techno originated there (however, he had been to a "techno" show recently though "some people were calling it dub stop?")

AxeD and hutyluty, have you ever been to America?

Because those are some broad stereotypes you have going on there. I love how you all love to cut Americans from the same swath of cloth. There are loads of househeads and technoheads here. You will find them mostly in the cities. I'm not going to deny that there are a lot of clueless people that don't know electronic music, but there are loads of those people in Europe and England as well.

Which brings me back to the OP. Make what you want, but if you are going to make some music that you know nothing about and then say you are never going to make it again, then why bother? Just go to the house section of this board to see how mis-appropriated that term is, which is kind of an insult to all of the people who have spent years building that scene.

Fairly sure you can't accuse me of stereotyping, at least not by what I said here
It's just those weird definition of techno that seem quite populair, but I don't know anyone that uses them.
Around here there are quite a few people who confuse electro and electronic music, but that's kind of understandable to me.
Dub Stop sounds awesome though

Genevieve wrote:SPL was known as only a dnb producer for years and then released an industrial hardcore 12". Pure industrial hardcore. He HARDLY listened to any hardcore, it's just kinda what he heard associating with the Outside Agency and shit. Anyway, that 12" is a stone cold classic in industrial hardcore right now.

Sometimes, approaching a genre from a different angle where you haven't been exposed to the clichés and typical tips and tricks that the style if known for can make for some awesome results. In way, you'll be able to write whatever tune you like and not make the same mistakes other house producers make. Maybe you'll make your own mistakes, which may be nice to hear as well.

Even if you are planning to eventually get nto more house, postpone it after finishing the tune. Might be interesting to hear.

You can't make mistakes in music;

"Dude you're totally out of fucking tune."
"Dude stfu I'm trying out a new microtunning."

"Dude You're totally out of fucking time"
"Dude stfu I'm trying out a new time signature."

"Dude you totally suck balls."
"Well that you can't prove."

Genevieve wrote:SPL was known as only a dnb producer for years and then released an industrial hardcore 12". Pure industrial hardcore. He HARDLY listened to any hardcore, it's just kinda what he heard associating with the Outside Agency and shit. Anyway, that 12" is a stone cold classic in industrial hardcore right now.

Sometimes, approaching a genre from a different angle where you haven't been exposed to the clichés and typical tips and tricks that the style if known for can make for some awesome results. In way, you'll be able to write whatever tune you like and not make the same mistakes other house producers make. Maybe you'll make your own mistakes, which may be nice to hear as well.

Even if you are planning to eventually get nto more house, postpone it after finishing the tune. Might be interesting to hear.

thats a really nice tip man

yeah i guess i will work on it and see how it turns out if its shit atleast i had fun doing this shit if its worth to go on the comp its

Personally the way I approach new genres is just to make what you think it should sound like. It's not like I venture too far from what I like, but for a challenge I sometimes take a genre I can't stand like trance and try to make a track I would actually want to listen to. I actually I find it inspiring to do stuff like this and you can only add more to your bag of tricks by venturing out of your comfort zone.

ehbrums1 wrote:

DIGIPLAST wrote:so my tip is: listen to the latest house tracks on beatport or similar sites to get a feel for the genre.

Your shitting me right ?

no. why ? because it's mainstream? those producers know what they are doing. there is nothing wrong with getting a feel for the genre by just listening to what is selling well apparently.