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1. This thread title is misleading. Fluoride has always been known to be toxic it is just the concentration that matters here.
2. Fluoride in the water is not causing fluoride poisoning. It's the excessive amounts of fluoride containing hygiene products Americans use at 2 often 3 times daily.

“It is not the water that's causing this," said Dr. Robert Barsley, a professor at Louisiana State University's Health Sciences Center School of Dentistry. "It's the extra fluoride products — toothpaste, mouthwash — that people are using. And people want nice white teeth so they brush three times a day.”


3. Theres a lot of hot air in these articles and it is so lazily put together from a scientific point of view. I would like some proper access to journals. Currently the recommended limit on fluoride is 0.7 parts per million. Some states have this as 1.2 parts per million (still absolutely nothing) and basically all this journal does is talk about how they need to move it back down until fluorosis is better understood.

4. In no case does it say the fluoride in the drinking water is causing the fluorosis. There's no scientific or statistical language in the article so most of what is said is just conjecture.

5. At best, the articles offer some latent (and not backed up) theories about fluoride replacing other electrolytes in the body and replacing their role in a small way. This leads to fluoride being used in bone construction ahead of calcium, leading to brittle/deformed bones. Of course electrolytes play thousands if not million of different roles in the body, hence the pervasiveness and half life of fluoride is an issue.


I would say this is a case of people getting involved in something they really don't understand just cos they want to make a noise.

i hate people who go on about aspartame

and some dude on my FB was like "THEY USE UREA IN LOTION!!!! UREA IS FOUND IN URINE!!! THIS IS DISGUSTING!"

jokes

hugh wrote:“It is not the water that's causing this," said Dr. Robert Barsley, a professor at Louisiana State University's Health Sciences Center School of Dentistry. "It's the extra fluoride products — toothpaste, mouthwash — that people are using. And people want nice white teeth so they brush three times a day.”

brushing your teeth 3 times a day won't harm you and terrorists won't kill your family if you shower twice a day.

Hircine wrote:

hugh wrote:“It is not the water that's causing this," said Dr. Robert Barsley, a professor at Louisiana State University's Health Sciences Center School of Dentistry. "It's the extra fluoride products — toothpaste, mouthwash — that people are using. And people want nice white teeth so they brush three times a day.”

brushing your teeth 3 times a day won't harm you and terrorists won't kill your family if you shower twice a day.

1. evidently not true
2. wut?

The myopia is incredible...

Here's the thing: not just fucking people use fucking water. All this shit winds up getting dumped into our rivers, oceans, etc. along with all the other toxic shit we spew as a species.

It's already having an effect. What exactly? None can say yet, only symptoms and weirdness pointed out (fluoride toxicity reports from over 600 people in less than 4 years in one country alone; cadavers of aquatic life with definite signs of fluoride toxicity.) Fluorine is also found in relatively high concentrations in prozac (aka fluoxetine), teflon, and freon; prozac winds up in the sewage, teflon in the groundwater from dumps, freon in the atmosphere.

"Oh, but we dont have to worry... it's only a tiny amount."

Correction: it's a tiny amount times 100,000,000,000. Which, in addition to naturally occurring sources of fluoridation in groundwater (much more widespread than popularly known) plus the shit they add to mouthwash, toothpaste, dental compounds, etc. - means the average American [at least] is getting exposure from multiple vectors that are simply not being factored into the declared "safe exposure" level assessment.

alphacat wrote:The myopia is incredible...

Here's the thing: not just fucking people use fucking water. All this shit winds up getting dumped into our rivers, oceans, etc. along with all the other toxic shit we spew as a species.

It's already having an effect. What exactly? None can say yet, only symptoms and weirdness pointed out (fluoride toxicity reports from over 600 people in less than 4 years in one country alone; cadavers of aquatic life with definite signs of fluoride toxicity.) Fluorine is also found in relatively high concentrations in prozac (aka fluoxetine), teflon, and freon; prozac winds up in the sewage, teflon in the groundwater from dumps, freon in the atmosphere.

"Oh, but we dont have to worry... it's only a tiny amount."

Correction: it's a tiny amount times 100,000,000,000. Which, in addition to naturally occurring sources of fluoridation in groundwater (much more widespread than popularly known) plus the shit they add to mouthwash, toothpaste, dental compounds, etc. - means the average American [at least] is getting exposure from multiple vectors that are simply not being factored into the declared "safe exposure" level assessment.

Stop using so much fucking dental hygiene bullshit that you don't even need then. It's your own fault as a country for being so image obsessesed and it starts with the teeth.

Trust me that there are plenty of people here with BAD teeth.

hugh wrote:Stop using so much fucking dental hygiene bullshit that you don't even need then. It's your own fault as a country for being so image obsessesed and it starts with the teeth.

lack of dental hygiene and other kinds of hygiene will result in way much worse diseases and problems than illuminati fluor contamination

Hircine wrote:

hugh wrote:Stop using so much fucking dental hygiene bullshit that you don't even need then. It's your own fault as a country for being so image obsessesed and it starts with the teeth.

lack of dental hygiene and other kinds of hygiene will result in way much worse diseases and problems than illuminati fluor contamination

Nobody said anything about the Illuminati, fwiw. And as far as the "it's your own fault" response - not even gonna waste time composing a reply more than this.

Real shit from the National Institute of Health (note: NOT a tinfoil hat blog)

Environmental Health Perspectives Journal of the NIH wrote:
Developmental Fluoride Neurotoxicity: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis

Abstract

Background: Although fluoride may cause neurotoxicity in animal models and acute fluoride poisoning causes neurotoxicity in adults, very little is known of its effects on children’s neurodevelopment.

Objective: We performed a systematic review and meta-analysis of published studies to investigate the effects of increased fluoride exposure and delayed neurobehavioral development.

Methods: We searched the MEDLINE, EMBASE, Water Resources Abstracts, and TOXNET databases through 2011 for eligible studies. We also searched the China National Knowledge Infrastructure (CNKI) database, as many studies on fluoride neurotoxicity have been published in Chinese journals only. In total, we identified 27 eligible epidemiological studies with high and reference exposures, endpoints of IQ scores or related cognitive function measures with means and variances for the two exposure groups. We estimated the standardized mean difference (SMD) between exposed and reference groups across all studies using random effects models. We conducted sensitivity analyses restricted to studies using the same outcome assessment and having drinking water fluoride as the only exposure. Cochran test for heterogeneity between studies, Begg’s funnel plot and Egger test to assess publication bias were performed. Meta-regressions to explore sources of variation in mean differences among the studies were conducted.

Results: The standardized weighted mean difference in IQ score between exposed and reference populations was -0.45 (95% CI -0.56 to -0.35) using a random-effects model. Thus, children in high fluoride areas had significantly lower IQ scores than those who lived in low fluoride areas. Subgroup and sensitivity analyses also indicated inverse associations, although the substantial heterogeneity did not appear to decrease.

Conclusions: The results support the possibility of an adverse effect of high fluoride exposure on children’s neurodevelopment. Future research should include detailed individual-level information on prenatal exposure, neurobehavioral performance, and covariates for adjustment.

The 24th study to find this same conclusion.

Not to mention:

This

and This

and much, much more.



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Having Kubrick flashbacks...

that's definitely an interesting one!

Oh, it's just a pretty effective population control device.

oh good, you're back

i knew this was gonna turn into a tard circus so i'm trying to stay away

parson wrote:i knew this was gonna turn into a tard circus so i'm trying to stay away

Yet you posted anyway...

Just scoped that it is only a few places in the uk where flouride is added.
My county happens to be one!
I drink a ridiculous amount of tap water, have done all my life. Would be interesting toknow if it has caused me any harm?

the only way it could really affect you is if you drank enough that you'd be suffering from overhydration anyway.

they should add summer fruits squash but only on the tap in the kitchen

hugh wrote: 3. Theres a lot of hot air in these articles and it is so lazily put together from a scientific point of view. I would like some proper access to journals. Currently the recommended limit on fluoride is 0.7 parts per million. Some states have this as 1.2 parts per million (still absolutely nothing) and basically all this journal does is talk about how they need to move it back down until fluorosis is better understood.

Interestingly, 1ppm fluoride in water led to roughly 12% of people have dental fluorosis that is aesthetically displeasing (http://www.bmj.com/content/321/7265/855.full; Systematic review of water fluorosis). However, that doesn't mean squat in my opinion, aesthetically displeasing is in no way a health issue.

Additionally, that article by BMJ cites that "214 studies were included. The quality of studies was low to moderate". Potentially adds a bit of error to their result.

u guys werw asll about not drinking botle water but then u are like no drink the tap ater b/c flourid

wtf im supposed 2 do

rayman612 wrote:u guys werw asll about not drinking botle water but then u are like no drink the tap ater b/c flourid

wtf im supposed 2 do

drink teh beers yeh m8? s1k