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Fauster wrote:Check out this chart. E1 hits at 41.2034 and E2 hits at 82.4069. Of the two, I'd say go with E2. 41hz is too low for most systems to reproduce. You probably would have a hard time even hearing it well if you're using a pair of entry-level midfields.

cmon man dont be pushing info you arent sure about. 41hz is the sweet spot of ALL systems. about 65ish hz is entering the midbass zone and leaving the sub zone debatably

stop it dude.. youre spreading false info.. for SUB bass 40 hz is the meat of the SYSTEM. sub bass is not supposed to be heard on speakers.
ps: anyone that uses ableton, octaves are displayed as an octave lower. ie: E0 on ableton = E1 on other DAWs, or so ive heard.

SKIN E wrote:

jrisreal wrote:I was talking about octaves. Not sure what we're doing differently, but I can stick in octave 2 for subbass

Pitched the osc down?

Nope. With the osc pitched down all the way in 3xosc, I can stick in the 4th octave.

Fauster wrote:

Justin Bays wrote:You're telling me side-chaining your kick is the only way to stop it from clashing with a 41 hz sine?

No, I was talking about your statement of "the kick would clash with a 82hz sine".

You said "the bass always clashes with the kick"
bring it down to E1 and it wont

Dubstep is meant to be played on huge systems is it not? I thought you guys were all pessimistic about the iphone generation playing everything on shit speakers and now you're telling me to put my sub at 82hz because most people can't hear 41 hz
I'm a bit confused especially since you're probably going to want to go up to the minor 3rd which is going to be around 100 hz :/ which is pretty much making your kick redundant

i'm kind of new to production so I could be wrong here it just seems weird to put your sub that high and like I said even my shit headphones can hear as low as 20hz or so

Fauster wrote:

Justin Bays wrote:I'm not surprised your monitors don't have strong ~40 hz though. Those monitors aren't meant to.

Right. And neither are most listener's systems.

Most people aren't using little Yamaha near-field monitors that are meant for flat/honest response, they are using headphones and car systems (or better yet, hearing the tunes in a club) that are specifically designed for huge bass response - even Beats headphones can hear 40 hz fine and they're shit. All of my friends cars you can hear 30 - 40 hz all the way down the street let alone in the car

Justin Bays wrote:

Fauster wrote:

Justin Bays wrote:You're telling me side-chaining your kick is the only way to stop it from clashing with a 41 hz sine?

No, I was talking about your statement of "the kick would clash with a 82hz sine".

You said "the bass always clashes with the kick"
bring it down to E1 and it wont

Dubstep is meant to be played on huge systems is it not? I thought you guys were all pessimistic about the iphone generation playing everything on shit speakers and now you're telling me to put my sub at 82hz because most people can't hear 41 hz
I'm a bit confused especially since you're probably going to want to go up to the minor 3rd which is going to be around 100 hz :/ which is pretty much making your kick redundant

i'm kind of new to production so I could be wrong here it just seems weird to put your sub that high and like I said even my shit headphones can hear as low as 20hz or so

No, 82hz is close to the absolute highest you should go for a sub.

Fauster wrote:
No, 82hz is close to the absolute highest you should go for a sub.

But that means if your sub is an E2 and you want to go up to G it will be too high but you cant go down to G1 because there will be a drop in volume

Basically sub =30-45 hz

ab
nyone who disageees is damn stupid.

Justin Bays wrote:

Fauster wrote:
No, 82hz is close to the absolute highest you should go for a sub.

But that means if your sub is an E2 and you want to go up to G it will be too high but you cant go down to G1 because there will be a drop in volume

Ah, now I get why my sub goes to shit on 2 of the notes in the first track in my sig...

Brothulhu wrote:

Justin Bays wrote:

Fauster wrote:
No, 82hz is close to the absolute highest you should go for a sub.

But that means if your sub is an E2 and you want to go up to G it will be too high but you cant go down to G1 because there will be a drop in volume

Ah, now I get why my sub goes to shit on 2 of the notes in the first track in my sig...

Mate. Noone gives a shit.

Sorry, I was just acknowledging that he helped me figure out something I was puzzled about

Brothulhu wrote:

Justin Bays wrote:

Fauster wrote:
No, 82hz is close to the absolute highest you should go for a sub.

But that means if your sub is an E2 and you want to go up to G it will be too high but you cant go down to G1 because there will be a drop in volume

Ah, now I get why my sub goes to shit on 2 of the notes in the first track in my sig...

Man I really like that tune in your sig it sounds great. But yeah the last 2 notes in the progression get lost...only thing i could think to fix it is move the whole key of the track up 2 or 3 half-steps but that's probably not an option this late

EDIT: better yet, move the entire track down maybe 1 half-step and then move those 2 notes up an octave

hutyluty wrote:Basically sub =30-45 hz

ab
nyone who disageees is damn stupid.

lmao no. That literally only gives you C#-F to work with. Oh, you need a G#? Shit outta luck.

If you want to know the exact frequency if what you're playing in real time check out GTune. It's a tuner vst plugin for guitar, but it's good for figuring out the fundamental frequencies of a lot of simple sounds.

if you want your track to be played out... you want to aim more around 40hz than 80hz..

this thread represents a lot of what is wrong with this forum and dubstep in general.

constrobuz wrote:this thread represents a lot of what is wrong with this forum and dubstep in general.

yes and no. theres really only one person on here that seems adamant that 80hz is sub.

Immerse wrote:

constrobuz wrote:this thread represents a lot of what is wrong with this forum and dubstep in general.

yes and no. theres really only one person on here that seems adamant that 80hz is sub.

Haven't read the whole thread but subsonic basically means it's below the treshold of hearing.
It could be different from person to person, but we usually go with 20hz.
The real differences per individual are found around the upper treshold (or quite a bit under it )

If we are talking 'sub' as a production term, I'd say it might well range up to 60-70hz.
But then we are taking the whole term out of it's context.

Maxxan wrote:Do you people seriously go this low for your subs? Most people aren't going to be able to hear it, isn't this taking away a lot of energy from the track that would be better spent an octave higher? Anyone know how low the 'pros' go?

please dont take this as a dig cuz its not, but i see a correlation between your tunes and this post

hutyluty wrote:Basically sub =30-45 hz

ab
nyone who disageees is damn stupid.

I always thought it was 40-45 ?