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hardcore dub has gotten so bland these days...I wouldn't mind a pregressive psytrance revival if not an all out explosion of the genre as a whole tbh

used to love broeknbeat, breakbeat garage, and then breaks for a while.
only natural that it comes around again once the kick kick sound gets stale for people to make

suppose what i liked was hearing breakbeat, house, tehcno and garage back to back when out raving.
people are making some pretty sick percussive breakbeat tinged stuff at the moment though

mainly thinking of this
http://soundcloud.com/hemlockrecordings ... scruff-box

there was some terrible breaks being made 3 or 4 years ago.... glad that shit disappeared quickly

150 and 180 are where there needs to be more stuff going on in dubstep imo

breaks yes is a terrible genre now. its actually died out (unlike dubstep which switched into loads of different sounds) completely / morphed into a terrible cartoon of trance/elctrohouse/brostep/psytrance. sopmeone also tried to pretend tear out breaks was cnow to be called 'future jungle' lol dickheads.

around 2000-2005 there was some really good stuff coming out (that could loosely be called breaks) in a broad range of tempos / loosely associated styles. I think a lot of these producers moved on / were allready in dubstep and techno streams so it was a natural progression.

i loved this kind of stuff (still fresh IMO)






I suppose a lot of it has to do with physical scenes as well - msuic from a time and physical place / circumstance / 'culture' has more of a chance of rooting itself in your subconscious by having a visual and experiential connection to augment the music. well im probably talking shit but thats what i think happens - internet = loads of bros big upping each other to form the smallest possible circle of sound so specific and unconnected to a time that it just fizzes out fast and results in generic dross made to fill the mid section of a 12 - 2 peaK T1m3 set.

nothing wrong with this of course just an observation after all it is music to dance and rave to - not a thesis in a dark room. but everything needs variation to be successful and maintain interest imo

now people see a artwork for music on boomkat and thats the only way they can connect to it outside of teh actual msuic - so if you make generic faux house with a 'garrridge flex' you have a triangle (maybe an octagon) with a space background to represent your secene and where you fit in. if you make brostep you have a transformer or robot.

anyway
more breakbeat experimentation and variation pls

Gay hip hop

I don`t really have a clue about this, but I`m liking the Garage stuff Rinse is playing in the evenings these days.

incnic wrote:used to love broeknbeat, breakbeat garage, and then breaks for a while.
only natural that it comes around again once the kick kick sound gets stale for people to make

suppose what i liked was hearing breakbeat, house, tehcno and garage back to back when out raving.
people are making some pretty sick percussive breakbeat tinged stuff at the moment though

mainly thinking of this
http://soundcloud.com/hemlockrecordings ... scruff-box

yeah, randomer is sick, regardless of bpm

was really sad to see the breaky stuff go... storming, early hotflush, destructive, urban graffiti etc

oooo and i see he has a ep coming on hemlock

fav tune from him http://soundcloud.com/randomer/randomer-comeback-free

his numbers record is great!

http://www.discogs.com/Randomer-Real-Ta ... se/3262826

I dunno hardcore has been pretty huge for the last decade at least. One of the first proper hardcore events I went to almost 10 years ago was in a huge football stadium with probably 75k people. Hellraiser, Thunderdome etc. I suppose it's mostly concentrated to a couple of northern European countries but it's insanely huge there, and it only quadrupled in size once hardstyle came about.

wormcode wrote:I dunno hardcore has been pretty huge for the last decade at least. One of the first proper hardcore events I went to almost 10 years ago was in a huge football stadium with probably 75k people. Hellraiser, Thunderdome etc. I suppose it's mostly concentrated to a couple of northern European countries but it's insanely huge there, and it only quadrupled in size once hardstyle came about.

they're talking about uk hardcore

pete bubonic wrote:Was literally *just* having a conversation about this with my mate. With slow house being the in thing right now and being a veritable gold mine (it appeals to a lot older crowd, 30-40 years - thus a LOT more disposable income), it's going to be very popular for a while whilst all the kids keep hammering away at the adhd tweak house, complextro, brostep, whatever. So the next question is what's after that and my money is on Broken Beat/House, it had a little time to shine but the disappeared into the posh bars of west london I think. But as the original dubstep heads get older and older, and house needs to adapt (as it always does) to the crowd around it, more syncopated rhythms and staggered flows from dubstep will be reintroduced. Thus Broken Beat will rise again.

Yes please:



I think hardcore had it's resurgence in the nu rave rise a few years back and unless people are going to try it authentically (ala Where were you in 92) then people are going to be very wary of it or it'll be flash in the pan.

Big tune that. I think a lot of people are experimenting with breaks again, I realise they never fully died out, there was that whole sort of little "breakstep" niche, but i'm talking about breaks in the oldskool way y'know




and a cheeky little plug of myself:


As you can tell i am 100% for this. I got into electronic music through my uncles old jungle and hardcore records. Moving Shadow, Basement, Good Looking, Reinforced etc...., It's nice seeing people bringing these sounds back up, that old vibe. Burial touched on the downcast side. I think a lot of dance music has lost some of these good vibes in recent years, in a time where i swear a lot of the music i'm hearing a lot of is just a heavy 4/4 and some dark atmospherics. I think Breach/Ben Westbeech is on it atm, the description of his new label Naked Naked, house/garage with a healthy dose of soul influenced by Good Looking recs and LTJ Bukem. Nothing makes me loose it more in a club then when I hear some old crunchy breaks kicking in, I think there's so much room for experimentation still and slowly people are getting on it. As for it becoming hip.... dunno really. A few DJ's have been ending their sets with jungle again too. Kode9 and Pinch both did over the course of Outlook/Dimensions. Bring it back people!

PS. props to a good thread.

a few years ago hardcore and hardstyle got better and stopped using the 4x4

You know I never made the link between hardcore and hardstyle before! I always though it was more the evolution of hardhouse, or maybe gabba (I know all roads lead to rome, but you know what I mean?).

pete bubonic wrote:You know I never made the link between hardcore and hardstyle before! I always though it was more the evolution of hardhouse, or maybe gabba (I know all roads lead to rome, but you know what I mean?).

Yeah, same here. Specially since it's big only in like the netherlands and belgium?

LumiNiscent wrote:

wormcode wrote:I dunno hardcore has been pretty huge for the last decade at least. One of the first proper hardcore events I went to almost 10 years ago was in a huge football stadium with probably 75k people. Hellraiser, Thunderdome etc. I suppose it's mostly concentrated to a couple of northern European countries but it's insanely huge there, and it only quadrupled in size once hardstyle came about.

they're talking about uk hardcore

Ah I suppose, but the example tune reminded me of weak 1995 gabba. UK Hardcore I remember had more focus on breakbeat and Amen workouts and was more akin to happy hardcore. Anyway that was huge as well in the 90s, I bought a couple of compilations at HMV I think.
@Pete Hardcore/Gabba/Gabber are synonymous in regards to that style really. And yeah, it was a more commercial/trancy sound of it that started to come about around 2003 or so.

ultraspatial wrote:

glottis5 wrote:seriously tho, someone should write an essay applying hegel's dialectics to the cyclical (spiral) nature of dance music trends, or has simon reynolds has done it already?

Read something like that not too long ago. Can't remember where or who wrote it though...

Regarding the thread, doubt there will ever be a hardcore/rave revival. The sound is way too dated...

LOL @ Reynolds discussing dialectics of dance music... Nuumlectics.

But as far as something sounding too dated to make a comeback: never say never. I'm constantly surprised by retro sounds that make huge comebacks over and over - hello, vocoders and house beats? Not to mention the whole 8-bit/chiptune phenomenon and how much that very retro aesthetic has managed to work its way into lots of music, including dubstep.

In fact, I'd say the stereotypical rave sound of 20 years ago (4 on the floor, chord stabs, orch hits, etc.) is a very large part of today's top 40 dance sound.

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But anyway...

BRING BACK DE BRUK!

Time to go listen to some Seiji (man's a legend)... who I also just discovered is on Soundcloud.