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Re: Mescaline.

Post by Terpit » Fri Sep 14, 2012 9:48 am

E-F wrote:if u smoke pcp and munch someone do u go to prison or just mental asylum??
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Re: Mescaline.

Post by Terpit » Fri Sep 14, 2012 9:56 am

nowaysj wrote:
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Re: Mescaline.

Post by nowaysj » Fri Sep 14, 2012 10:03 am

Taking responsibility for the things you ingest is rad. Think I'll try my hand at stove top chemistry.
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Re: Mescaline.

Post by fassyman » Fri Sep 14, 2012 10:48 am

can you buy em at fully potency then?

me and my mate have a few growing but they've still got summet like 3 years left till they'll be ready to extract :(
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Re: Mescaline.

Post by noam » Fri Sep 14, 2012 1:37 pm

fassyman wrote:can you buy em at fully potency then?

me and my mate have a few growing but they've still got summet like 3 years left till they'll be ready to extract :(
as i said, you can buy em off growers on Amazon

from what i've read, and im inclined to believe, a pound or half a kilo of san pedro cactus will yield 300-500mg of mescaline sulfate (or something like that...) which is enough for one medium to large hit

the guy im gona buy off charges something liek $50 for 5lbs... thats 3-4 sticks, at least 12" in height so they've been properly grown, he doesn't like selling anything less than 18" though so i think it should be perfect in terms of potency

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Re: Mescaline.

Post by d-T-r » Fri Sep 14, 2012 1:42 pm

Terpit wrote:
nowaysj wrote:
Terpit wrote:
noam wrote:how did your mimosa project go????
very very well
:D
its the best
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and frazer, i think you can. can also get it ready chopped etc. Still not tried mesc tho. was meant to this summer just never happened.

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Re: Mescaline.

Post by E-F » Fri Sep 14, 2012 1:50 pm

Terpit wrote:
E-F wrote:if u smoke pcp and munch someone do u go to prison or just mental asylum??
what a head pickling question
prison with the smack fiends and knife kids is better than the asylum with the paedos

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Re: Mescaline.

Post by Terpit » Fri Sep 14, 2012 1:57 pm

But in the asylum youd get bare benzos, probably not tho
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Re: Mescaline.

Post by Electric_Head » Fri Sep 14, 2012 1:58 pm

If I suggest using a slow cooker noam.
You can really slow cook the mescal into crystals.
Much much better imo.
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Re: Mescaline.

Post by noam » Fri Sep 14, 2012 3:50 pm

Electric_Head wrote:If I suggest using a slow cooker noam.
You can really slow cook the mescal into crystals.
Much much better imo.
ahhhh very good advice

does it speed the process up at all?? obviously its a 'slow' cooker but there's a difference between open hob cooking for 10-12 hours and a slow cooker for 6-8

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Re: Mescaline.

Post by hugh » Fri Sep 14, 2012 4:12 pm

As far as I can tell from very briefly reading a little bit about Mescaline Extraction, a longer boil will simply help drive the reaction to completion better. If you can get hold of a magnetic stirrer and hotplate, then go with that because it is far superior to hob cooking.

*Edit - thanks blahblah!
A base is used to extract the mescaline out of solution, such as Sodium Hydroxide, which should be done by SLOWLY adding NaOH to the solution. An excess will not harm it so you do not have to be too careful about the amount. There is a prior step I have also read upon whereby you can reduce the number of fats and other organic matter that invade the process by using acid and refiltering the solution before adding the base, but I am not sure how important that is in terms of just get the mescaline out so you can get wrecked. I guess it's something you learn from actually doing it.
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Acid is simply added to form the Mescaline Salt which is extracted from the main solution via recrystallisation. An excess of acid (1.5-2.0M acid to 1M of solution is probably good enough) is probably a good idea. Make absolutely sure to use an excess of acid in comparison to the base used earlier as this will help reclaim as much mescaline from the base form as possible. This is probably the part of the process where most people go wrong by not adding enough acid. An excess will not harm the purity and will certainly add to the resultant yield. This is because the acid will protonate the Nitrogen, forming a positive charge which can be coupled with the negative ion of the chloride/sulfate/citrate to form the salt (which is your final product). Further protonation is extremely unlikely if not impossible due the stability offered by the delocalised phenyl ring and the associated ethergroups.

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It looks very easy tbh, I doubt you can go far wrong.


So in summary

1.Boil for as long and as hot as you can to drive the solvation of the mescaline raw products into the water solution
2. Add an excess of acid to form a salt that can be washed.
3. Extract the crystals by rapidly cooling the solution, use a filter if you can. A coffee filter is probably good enough tbh.
4. Wash the crystals that have formed with more acid to increase purity.

You may want to repeat step 2-4 a couple of times, particularly if it is a home cook as the equipment won't be ideal.

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Re: Mescaline.

Post by BLAHBLAHJAH » Fri Sep 14, 2012 4:46 pm

Nice work hugh! Good to have some chemistry-wankers aboard :4: You forgot to type about the base used [ NaOH water solution] worth a quick edit! Educate these buffoons whilst their guards are low :s:

One tip... Freeze and thaw the cactus before boiling to really bust up the cell walls

edit: when I dossed with mescaline due to a pet cactus showing signs of death, it kicked my arse, took about 3 days for the waves to stop. :h:
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Re: Mescaline.

Post by hugh » Fri Sep 14, 2012 4:53 pm

I was wondering how the mescaline was extracted in the first place as I didn't see anything about a base, so thanks for clearing that up! I'll make a quick edit now :w:
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Re: Mescaline.

Post by BLAHBLAHJAH » Fri Sep 14, 2012 4:56 pm

Good lad - all you need to do science is wonder :s:
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Re: Mescaline.

Post by hugh » Fri Sep 14, 2012 5:01 pm

Also mash up the cactus into a fine a paste as possible before putting it into the water-base solution, it will save a lot of time in the boiling process ^^
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Re: Mescaline.

Post by mo_respect » Fri Sep 14, 2012 5:13 pm

E-F wrote:if u smoke pcp and munch someone do u go to prison or just mental asylum??
ask big lurch

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Re: Mescaline.

Post by E-F » Sat Sep 15, 2012 11:38 am

mo respect wrote:
E-F wrote:if u smoke pcp and munch someone do u go to prison or just mental asylum??
ask big lurch
3 lurch why they do him like that

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