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VirtualMark wrote:Well i am looking to get a decent modular analog synth, do any of you hardware people have recommendations?

This thread reminds me of gearslutz.com

They could help you.

jonahmann wrote:

VirtualMark wrote:Well i am looking to get a decent modular analog synth, do any of you hardware people have recommendations?

This thread reminds me of gearslutz.com

They could help you.

For Modular questions, you're better off with Muff;

Forum - http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/
Getting started thread - http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=44345

Trust


(Muff also has a quality WIKI page - http://wiki.muffwiggler.com/wiki/Main_Page )

Incidentally, the Chimera BC-8 is a handheld modular synth

wub wrote: I could use Massive to make a kick drum and I doubt anyone would turn around and say "ooooooo, that's from Massive that is!", so this is a bit of a false argument IMO.

Lol how is it false? People choose to make generic midrange massive sounds. All i'm saying is that its a capable synth and can make a wide range of sounds, some of them are not generic at all.

And my other point is that hardware isn't the only way to get creative, it just depends on what inspires you. I can have just as much fun setting up crazy fx chains in software as you can have twiddling knobs on hardware. But i'd definitely going to get a good analog modular soon, just need to do some research first. Thanks for the links.

paradigm x wrote:a qy700 for example, is far more portable than a laptop tbh, no soundcard, usb leads, mice, just a stereo out. instant turn on and off, never crashes, always got the last thing you worked on in memory, etc. these are all advantages.

Just looked it up, tbh i don't think it has half the capabilities of a modern daw. I could argue that people can make music on a smartphone, but in reality they'd be sacrificing a ton of features.

Lets be honest here - you can't really get more portable than a laptop loaded with software. You can design sounds, load samples, arrange, mix and master a whole album with nothing more than a laptop and a pair of headphones.

paradigm x wrote:people who say shit like you dont need all that have never used hardware in my experience.

in fact ill expend, this is (partially) why i dont bother posting much here anymore, everytime a new thread comes up people just chime in, generally in a condescending way, with one of several stock answers, resampling, bitcrushers, read the moneyshot thread, etcetetc, generally by people who have read a lot but have little experience, its really getting very tiresome. It suffocates any new discussion and seems to be done with the desired outcome of looking clever.

i dunno.

also dinsync is phono from doa, proper hardware head and now building his own euro stuff based on teh x0xb0x, great if youve got a euro setup and want the osc and filter but IMO otherwise go for the full x0xb0x, the sequencer is a big part of the fun of the 303/x0x.

I`m aware that my answer will probably take this thread even further of its course (the actual harware that the TS posted) and if it does its my fault but I cant help but answer this one.

My stand on hardware is that its not needed for someone that`s starting out or doesnt make money making music. I owned a Juno 106, I dont have my own studio so most of the time i had to set it up every time I had to use it. IMO i didnt hear any difference between juno and various vst synths but that`s a discussion on its own. I also had a raveolution 909, a boss sp303 and a roland rhythm machine which I used in a live setup with a band.

I`m just sending out a message out there for people who are trapped in thinking that buying more hardware will make their production better.

Eridu wrote:

paradigm x wrote:people who say shit like you dont need all that have never used hardware in my experience.

in fact ill expend, this is (partially) why i dont bother posting much here anymore, everytime a new thread comes up people just chime in, generally in a condescending way, with one of several stock answers, resampling, bitcrushers, read the moneyshot thread, etcetetc, generally by people who have read a lot but have little experience, its really getting very tiresome. It suffocates any new discussion and seems to be done with the desired outcome of looking clever.

i dunno.

also dinsync is phono from doa, proper hardware head and now building his own euro stuff based on teh x0xb0x, great if youve got a euro setup and want the osc and filter but IMO otherwise go for the full x0xb0x, the sequencer is a big part of the fun of the 303/x0x.

My stand on hardware is that its not needed for someone that`s starting out or doesnt make money making music. I owned a Juno 106, I dont have my own studio so most of the time i had to set it up every time I had to use it. IMO i didnt hear any difference between juno and various vst synths but that`s a discussion on its own.

You didn't notice a difference between your 106 and VSTs?????? You're not doing it right. I own multiple junos (6, 106, hs60) and no vst can replicate that sound.

Hardware won't make you better, but it is a different sound for sure. I couldn't live without my hardware setup personally, ITB is too sterile for me. Everyone has their own production styles and mine tends to utilize hardware more than software.

Also, once you get to a level where you can properly mix, utilizing high quality outboard dynamic processing will sound infinitely better than ITB software processing if its used by someone with the knowledge of what is at their finger tips. Yeah someone that has no idea what they are doing won't sound any better with quality hardware... but a talented engineer and a rack of gear goes a long long way.

Eridu wrote:

paradigm x wrote:people who say shit like you dont need all that have never used hardware in my experience.

in fact ill expend, this is (partially) why i dont bother posting much here anymore, everytime a new thread comes up people just chime in, generally in a condescending way, with one of several stock answers, resampling, bitcrushers, read the moneyshot thread, etcetetc, generally by people who have read a lot but have little experience, its really getting very tiresome. It suffocates any new discussion and seems to be done with the desired outcome of looking clever.

i dunno.

also dinsync is phono from doa, proper hardware head and now building his own euro stuff based on teh x0xb0x, great if youve got a euro setup and want the osc and filter but IMO otherwise go for the full x0xb0x, the sequencer is a big part of the fun of the 303/x0x.

I`m aware that my answer will probably take this thread even further of its course (the actual harware that the TS posted) and if it does its my fault but I cant help but answer this one.

My stand on hardware is that its not needed for someone that`s starting out or doesnt make money making music. I owned a Juno 106, I dont have my own studio so most of the time i had to set it up every time I had to use it. IMO i didnt hear any difference between juno and various vst synths but that`s a discussion on its own. I also had a raveolution 909, a boss sp303 and a roland rhythm machine which I used in a live setup with a band.

I`m just sending out a message out there for people who are trapped in thinking that buying more hardware will make their production better.

well i apologise for assuming.

i just dislike the way people almost get bullied / coerced into buying a daw/controller and KRKs ...

im going to not say any more, my views are well known and im not trying to preacj. eachto their own.

but yeah, a 106 sounds so much better than any vst ive ever heard.

collective wrote: You didn't notice a difference between your 106 and VSTs?????? You're not doing it right. I own multiple junos (6, 106, hs60) and no vst can replicate that sound.

Hardware won't make you better, but it is a different sound for sure. I couldn't live without my hardware setup personally, ITB is too sterile for me. Everyone has their own production styles and mine tends to utilize hardware more than software.

Also, once you get to a level where you can properly mix, utilizing high quality outboard dynamic processing will sound infinitely better than ITB software processing if its used by someone with the knowledge of what is at their finger tips. Yeah someone that has no idea what they are doing won't sound any better with quality hardware... but a talented engineer and a rack of gear goes a long long way.

There is a difference, and the difference is that they sound different. That`s how I hear it.

If I was making 80`s electro or disco where you dont use effects as much except your classic ones I could see an 80`s synth being a sound investment. Today`s genres have such processed sounds that it doesnt matter in the end what the sound source was.

Kind of related:

I love this song

Is this thread basically "If I had the money, I would buy ____"?
I'd like to one day own:
-an Ibanez ts808 or ts9
-fuzzface
-peavey 5150/6505
-roland jet phase
-fender showman

Imagine how annoying it would be if every time someone asked a simple question about a vst and all the hardware heads came in and shat on software with the same tired ass lines EVERY FUCKING TIME. Would be waste. Now reverse that. That is this thread.

Let's get this shit back on track...

A friend of mine is going to demo and, most likely, purchase one of these today...



My cock twitched when he told me.

jam1 wrote:Let's get this shit back on track...

A friend of mine is going to demo and, most likely, purchase one of these today...



My cock twitched when he told me.

That honestly looks lovely

The design alone makes me want it.

mthrfnk wrote:

jam1 wrote:Let's get this shit back on track...

A friend of mine is going to demo and, most likely, purchase one of these today...



My cock twitched when he told me.

That honestly looks lovely

The design alone makes me want it.

That is beautiful.

jam1 wrote:Let's get this shit back on track...

A friend of mine is going to demo and, most likely, purchase one of these today...



My cock twitched when he told me.

Am interested in something like this myself. It's beautiful

I'm a bit of a DSI fan boy even though I've only got the Mopho Desktop. The Tempest is pretty pricey, but considering you can use it as both drum machine and a six (?) voice polyphonic analog synth is a great feature IMO. From what I've read the Tempest isn't a very immediate piece of hardware. A lot of folks on gearslutz have posted something to the effect of "if you only get a few hours in the studio a week this may not be the synth for you". I also really like the fact that you can use the pads as both an XoX sequencer and as performance pads for finger drumming. The Tempest would need some outboard processing to really shine as it has no onboard FX (compression/distortion on the master outs only, and a weird MIDI timing delay).

To speak a bit about why I love hardware: I like the limitations. When I sit down at my DAW I often feel a bit like a deer frozen in head lights. Where do you even go from their? The limitations of a setup can really make someone get creative. For me hardware isn't about it being better sounding or somehow being some magical box that'll make me better than someone that's all in the box. There is something about flipping on one of my boxes and just going to town jamming that a DAW will never give me. Hardware makes me feel more like a musician, the computer makes me feel like a technician.

I'd never suggest someone new drop thousands of dollars on a hardware setup, in fact I typically suggest the standard "daw/interface/monitors"

Lol @ people shit talking the use of hardware on a PRODUCTION forum. That is a first for me. Wow. I don't know what else to say

I just feel like pointing out the obvious fact that most (is in not all) software is trying to emulate hardware, and midi controllers try to make software feel like hardware.

Actually think people would be better served starting on simple hardware. I know it is more expensive and far more limited, but in fact, those are pluses. There are many other pluses as well. Learning compression by turning knobs will get u a lot further than reading about it on a forum and watching some type of graphical display on a vst, but whatevers. There are many paths up the mountain.