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Re: Learning structure of dubstep help
Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 9:21 pm
by fractal
OP - check the production forum. read a bunch of the big threads. then start posting
should clear up a lot of your questions
Re: Learning structure of dubstep help
Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:18 pm
by Fletchur
topmo3 wrote:Fletchur wrote:topmo3 wrote:Wow there buddy u mean tabs as in guitar tabs? The only reason you'd need some is if you was bout to upload a shitty video of you doing a cool guitar dubstep cover on youtube. You know you're not supposed to do that...
This is what happens when people completely clueless about electronic music start getting into it.. They want lyrics to sing along to, physical equipment for producing and talk about producers as "dj's" or even "bands".
To answer your question, it's a piece of software programmed in a way to make that sound. It's more about sound design and rhythms rather than what notes it hits.
Merry christmas!
I thought I'd look a total **** saying "Brostep" so I just put it more plainly. I come from playing guitar and now I am trying to get into this. What I mean't was like, examples, like how in rock music its power chord riffs, that sort of thing but like this.
well i'm sure pretty much no one uses power chords as in 1st, fifth and the octave. usually the bass synth in a tune is one single note and not a chord
So you think power chords are not used in rock music?
Re: Learning structure of dubstep help
Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:35 pm
by NW_DUBAHOLIC
Fletchur wrote:topmo3 wrote:Fletchur wrote:topmo3 wrote:Wow there buddy u mean tabs as in guitar tabs? The only reason you'd need some is if you was bout to upload a shitty video of you doing a cool guitar dubstep cover on youtube. You know you're not supposed to do that...
This is what happens when people completely clueless about electronic music start getting into it.. They want lyrics to sing along to, physical equipment for producing and talk about producers as "dj's" or even "bands".
To answer your question, it's a piece of software programmed in a way to make that sound. It's more about sound design and rhythms rather than what notes it hits.
Merry christmas!
I thought I'd look a total **** saying "Brostep" so I just put it more plainly. I come from playing guitar and now I am trying to get into this. What I mean't was like, examples, like how in rock music its power chord riffs, that sort of thing but like this.
well i'm sure pretty much no one uses power chords as in 1st, fifth and the octave. usually the bass synth in a tune is one single note and not a chord
So you think power chords are not used in rock music?

Re: Learning structure of dubstep help
Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:49 pm
by tacospheros
OP's question might be ridiculous , but absolutely none of you tried to help him. and none of you are even funny. this is just one reason why this forum is a sad shell of what it used to be. everyone just trying to troll the noobs. this kid came in here asking an honest question and all you could do was make fun of him with this pompous air of seniority because why? you found dubstep first? congratulations , you're not helping the community at all with your weak ass jokes
OP, dont try to copy other people. learn musical structure, listen to old stuff, start from scratch. dont look for shortcuts, otherwise you will just become a carbon copy
Re: Learning structure of dubstep help
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 9:52 am
by topmo3
i totally beg to differ. i for one tried legitimatelly help him. as did fractal
Re: Learning structure of dubstep help
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:13 am
by Tekki
between 1m 30 and 1m 45 in the breakdown the lead synth plays almost four chromatic scales. 11 notes in total every 2 bars. Omitting the 12th note. The whole phrase is 8 bars in length before the second drop. starting in F the first chromatic is
F F# G G# A A# B C C# D D#
second chromatic starts on note 10 of the first chromatic
D D# E F F# G G# A A# B C
so the third is
B C C# D etc
and so on.
The lead synth pitch shifts I think by a major 5th on 3rd beat of the final bar (i.e bar 7 in this phrase) before the second drop.
Hope this helps and if you were referring to something else just reference the track time and i'll try transcribe it. If you're still having problems with it I'll try transcribe it in TAB and upload a file. Good luck.
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Re: Learning structure of dubstep help
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 5:45 am
by dickman69
ive got to come to general more often
Re: Learning structure of dubstep help
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 6:44 am
by Sexual_Chocolate
tacospheros wrote:OP's question might be ridiculous , but absolutely none of you tried to help him. and none of you are even funny. this is just one reason why this forum is a sad shell of what it used to be. everyone just trying to troll the noobs. this kid came in here asking an honest question and all you could do was make fun of him with this pompous air of seniority because why? you found dubstep first? congratulations , you're not helping the community at all with your weak ass jokes

Re: Learning structure of dubstep help
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:50 pm
by _cheef_
Re: Learning structure of dubstep help
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 4:33 am
by hasezwei
cliché brostep structure once it's dropped:
growly bass sound -> snare hit at which laser sounds and high pitched screeching starts -> growly bass again -> even more lasers -> big trance synth chords
rinse and repeat
tacospheros wrote:congratulations , you're not helping the community at all with your weak ass jokes
you can't spell community without unity, and there is no unity in dubstep.
Re: Learning structure of dubstep help
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 5:18 am
by test_recordings
He did kind of have a point, I just got carried away after reading the `m8 do you even compress?` thread
Sorry OP, you`re going to have to not take this place personally... lots of people just consider the same stuff you were asking about to be spam because it`s not dubstep.
Anywayyyy wouldn`t you need a bass guitar to replicate the bass in brostep? I know the guitar`s low E is 82Hz but it doesn`t feel quite like it, even with an extra string as a 7-string it`s still not quite enough...
Re: Learning structure of dubstep help
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:31 pm
by chazregard
Coming from guitar to electronic music is like jumping sideways, none of the things you've learned which are specific to the guitar will really apply. However, if you really want to create some dubstep/any electronic genre, you need to learn some musical basics first. Generally the intro is 32 or 16 bars long (as in most dance music) and the sub-bass normally drops after 32 bars. As far as power chords go, experiment with some synths and see what you can build, dubstep is normally quite simple harmonically, but it doesn't have to be.
Producers such as Skream often use 7th and 9th chords for some vaguely jazzy interest (check Rottan), and interesting colours often make a track for me (getting a bit technical on the music theory side here...). Basically listen to a load of stuff and try to incorporate elements of it, but also let your own creativity shine through. This also probably isn't the best place on the forum for starting either, try production.
Re: Learning structure of dubstep help
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 11:28 pm
by tacospheros
Nevalo wrote:tacospheros wrote:OP's question might be ridiculous , but absolutely none of you tried to help him. and none of you are even funny. this is just one reason why this forum is a sad shell of what it used to be. everyone just trying to troll the noobs. this kid came in here asking an honest question and all you could do was make fun of him with this pompous air of seniority because why? you found dubstep first? congratulations , you're not helping the community at all with your weak ass jokes

yep, i'm a baby cuz i dont appreciate piss poor trolling

Re: Learning structure of dubstep help
Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:21 am
by test_recordings
chazregard wrote:Coming from guitar to electronic music is like jumping sideways, none of the things you've learned which are specific to the guitar will really apply. However, if you really want to create some dubstep/any electronic genre, you need to learn some musical basics first. Generally the intro is 32 or 16 bars long (as in most dance music) and the sub-bass normally drops after 32 bars. As far as power chords go, experiment with some synths and see what you can build, dubstep is normally quite simple harmonically, but it doesn't have to be.
Producers such as Skream often use 7th and 9th chords for some vaguely jazzy interest (check Rottan), and interesting colours often make a track for me (getting a bit technical on the music theory side here...). Basically listen to a load of stuff and try to incorporate elements of it, but also let your own creativity shine through. This also probably isn't the best place on the forum for starting either, try production.
Midnight Request line`s main melody is based on 2nd inversion triads around Cm, Dm and Gm... if not, it sounds a lot like it! I accidentally discovered this while pissing about on a keyboard with some trippy delay

Re: Learning structure of dubstep help
Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 5:34 am
by Maccaveli
test recordings wrote:Anywayyyy wouldn`t you need a bass guitar to replicate the bass in brostep? I know the guitar`s low E is 82Hz but it doesn`t feel quite like it, even with an extra string as a 7-string it`s still not quite enough...
I don't know why you'd think you need a bass guitar, but I'm pretty sure a 4 string bass goes down to 41hz.
Re: Learning structure of dubstep help
Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 6:13 am
by dickman69
so how do i plug my guitar into fl studio
thats how dubstep right
the hole on my laptop isnt big enough for the cord
Re: Learning structure of dubstep help
Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 7:29 am
by test_recordings
Maccaveli wrote:test recordings wrote:Anywayyyy wouldn`t you need a bass guitar to replicate the bass in brostep? I know the guitar`s low E is 82Hz but it doesn`t feel quite like it, even with an extra string as a 7-string it`s still not quite enough...
I don't know why you'd think you need a bass guitar, but I'm pretty sure a 4 string bass goes down to 41hz.
As I wrote before, a guitar doesn`t feel like it`s low enough...
Re: Learning structure of dubstep help
Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 2:39 pm
by hasezwei
rayman612 wrote:so how do i plug my guitar into fl studio
thats how dubstep right
the hole on my laptop isnt big enough for the cord
lube and patience
Re: Learning structure of dubstep help
Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 5:03 pm
by SCope13
tacospheros wrote:OP's question might be ridiculous , but absolutely none of you tried to help him. and none of you are even funny. this is just one reason why this forum is a sad shell of what it used to be. everyone just trying to troll the noobs. this kid came in here asking an honest question and all you could do was make fun of him with this pompous air of seniority because why? you found dubstep first? congratulations , you're not helping the community at all with your weak ass jokes
Are you capable of posting about anything other than how shit you think the community is and how above it all you are?
Re: Learning structure of dubstep help
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 2:41 am
by test_recordings
rayman612 wrote:so how do i plug my guitar into fl studio
thats how dubstep right
the hole on my laptop isnt big enough for the cord
You need an instrument 1/4" jack socket, basically a high-impendance port. You`re probably better off getting a Line 6 port to interface with the computer...
Not how you dubstep, though. You do by making 2-step, half-timing it at 140bpm and then `dubbing` effects like delay, reverb and other trippy sounds on.
Of course, you know that and you`re trolling but
