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Another distortion bassline-tune, just like Spongebob and that other tune that sounds just like it. Yawn.

ozols man wrote:

baztard wrote:

harkaransg wrote:Try the latest skream show 29/08/07 about 71min check it! Wheeled it three times

where can i get hold of this mate is there an mp3 ?

u can download the podcast at http://www.rinse.fm

ah nice one cheers mang

Joe C wrote:Coki can do whatever the fuck he wants considering each time he has one his "sound phases" he practically redefines the genre, does it better than anyone else, then moves on! hes on a warpath

couldn't agree more with Sand Leaper, but that quote from joe C is 100% true

everyone is right.

I don't really care about the similarity thing, just don't happen to be into this latest style he's on. Man's a don regardless, I'm just personally not into these R2D2 getting gang raped basslines lol

Sand Leaper wrote:Another distortion bassline-tune, just like Spongebob and that other tune that sounds just like it. Yawn.

Well, no offence to you friend, I see your point. And agree to some level

BUT

The reason Coki and others make so many of these type tunes, AND the reason they get so many plays is..

Audience reaction and public demand.

Every time I have heard spongebob/f**k-off played in a dance the crowd go f***kin' MENTAL, bawlin' fo' reload e.t.c. and several times e.t.c.

The DJ will always go for crowd reaction, each an' every. It's his job, really.

DJ's such as myself who try to educate the crowd with alternative shizz e.t.c have to put up with a load of crap from the crowd, people sayin' what's this ? when are you going to play some dubstep e.t.c. have you got any bassline stuff e.t.c..e.t.c. Plus there is always the feelin that you are letting the promoter down e.t.c. 'cos the crowd ain't wilin' out an' shizz and sometimes even risking no re-booking e.t.c.

I myself do not care so much about this all, but you can check my signature below in reference to this. And occasionally my policy works okay, crowd dependant.

This can also effect the amount of bookings you get, the size of venues you get booked for and the amount of fee you can charge e.t.c. after all people go out to be entertained i.e. wilin' out bawlin fo' rewind and having a good time e.t.c.

Again, I'm not that bothered but can easily understand what makes people play like this...and crowd reaction is addictive

And P.S. I personally think Coki's beats are BADBOY and stand out amongst many other similar beats in this style... although it's not really my cup of tea.

So next time you go out try calming everyone down every time they jump up for these tunes (JOKE) or go mental yourself for tunes YOU like..

THA ILLSTA wrote:

Sand Leaper wrote:Another distortion bassline-tune, just like Spongebob and that other tune that sounds just like it. Yawn.

Well, no offence to you friend, I see your point. And agree to some level

BUT

The reason Coki and others make so many of these type tunes, AND the reason they get so many plays is..

Audience reaction and public demand.

Every time I have heard spongebob/f**k-off played in a dance the crowd go f***kin' MENTAL, bawlin' fo' reload e.t.c. and several times e.t.c.

The DJ will always go for crowd reaction, each an' every. It's his job, really.

DJ's such as myself who try to educate the crowd with alternative shizz e.t.c have to put up with a load of crap from the crowd, people sayin' what's this ? when are you going to play some dubstep e.t.c. have you got any bassline stuff e.t.c..e.t.c. Plus there is always the feelin that you are letting the promoter down e.t.c. 'cos the crowd ain't wilin' out an' shizz and sometimes even risking no re-booking e.t.c.

I myself do not care so much about this all, but you can check my signature below in reference to this. And occasionally my policy works okay, crowd dependant.

This can also effect the amount of bookings you get, the size of venues you get booked for and the amount of fee you can charge e.t.c. after all people go out to be entertained i.e. wilin' out bawlin fo' rewind and having a good time e.t.c.

Again, I'm not that bothered but can easily understand what makes people play like this...and crowd reaction is addictive

And P.S. I personally think Coki's beats are BADBOY and stand out amongst many other similar beats in this style... although it's not really my cup of tea.

So next time you go out try calming everyone down every time they jump up for these tunes (JOKE) or go mental yourself for tunes YOU like..

I agree with everything your saying but, I dont think Coki has to worry about getting booked for DMZ

I had a think and I see that Distance has a style, which is the guitars which have millions of different combinations of sounds but then Coki has his style but the wobble limits the creativity by a large sector as it has to keep following the same pattern.

Coki's Red Eye, Road Rage and Spongebob all follow the same basis. The only major difference is the drum pattern.

Some people like it others dont...just like marmite.


Personally I am not really going to hype over it, however I still like it and probably will out do Spongebob but yet, it does get annoying when its pulled back countless times at countless raves - but then its expected so I just kinda talked myself to sit on the fence now..

THA ILLSTA wrote:

Sand Leaper wrote:Another distortion bassline-tune, just like Spongebob and that other tune that sounds just like it. Yawn.

Well, no offence to you friend, I see your point. And agree to some level

BUT

The reason Coki and others make so many of these type tunes, AND the reason they get so many plays is..

Audience reaction and public demand.

Every time I have heard spongebob/f**k-off played in a dance the crowd go f***kin' MENTAL, bawlin' fo' reload e.t.c. and several times e.t.c.

The DJ will always go for crowd reaction, each an' every. It's his job, really.

DJ's such as myself who try to educate the crowd with alternative shizz e.t.c have to put up with a load of crap from the crowd, people sayin' what's this ? when are you going to play some dubstep e.t.c. have you got any bassline stuff e.t.c..e.t.c. Plus there is always the feelin that you are letting the promoter down e.t.c. 'cos the crowd ain't wilin' out an' shizz and sometimes even risking no re-booking e.t.c.

I myself do not care so much about this all, but you can check my signature below in reference to this. And occasionally my policy works okay, crowd dependant.

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maybe everyone likes it, referring to the "go mental to the tunes YOU like" thingie you said

i like it, and several amount of people also does so what you do is up to you and probably you're right about the crowd reaction is what to follow but i assume it's how it works nowadays.

*unfunny joke, low it*

THA ILLSTA wrote: Well, no offence to you friend, I see your point. And agree to some level

BUT

The reason Coki and others make so many of these type tunes, AND the reason they get so many plays is..

Audience reaction and public demand.

Every time I have heard spongebob/f**k-off played in a dance the crowd go f***kin' MENTAL, bawlin' fo' reload e.t.c. and several times e.t.c.

The DJ will always go for crowd reaction, each an' every. It's his job, really.

DJ's such as myself who try to educate the crowd with alternative shizz e.t.c have to put up with a load of crap from the crowd, people sayin' what's this ? when are you going to play some dubstep e.t.c. have you got any bassline stuff e.t.c..e.t.c. Plus there is always the feelin that you are letting the promoter down e.t.c. 'cos the crowd ain't wilin' out an' shizz and sometimes even risking no re-booking e.t.c.

I myself do not care so much about this all, but you can check my signature below in reference to this. And occasionally my policy works okay, crowd dependant.

This can also effect the amount of bookings you get, the size of venues you get booked for and the amount of fee you can charge e.t.c. after all people go out to be entertained i.e. wilin' out bawlin fo' rewind and having a good time e.t.c.

Again, I'm not that bothered but can easily understand what makes people play like this...and crowd reaction is addictive

And P.S. I personally think Coki's beats are BADBOY and stand out amongst many other similar beats in this style... although it's not really my cup of tea.

So next time you go out try calming everyone down every time they jump up for these tunes (JOKE) or go mental yourself for tunes YOU like..

I'm well aware of the fact that he's churning out these tunes along the same formula to give the dancefloor what it wants.

It doesn't change the fact that making music by the same blueprint gets boring and repetitive. Especially when you know that the producer (and the genre in general) is capable of so much more.

I wouldnt want to listen to two of these tunes after one another, but on their own i would dance to either.

Saying that, i dont really see the need to produce 2 tunes (or 3) so similar, id call it a remix or somthing really.

Sand Leaper wrote:churning out these tunes

*phew* I'll have you know he takes great care in making his tunes, more than most.

Sand Leaper wrote:It doesn't change the fact that making music by the same blueprint gets boring and repetitive. Especially when you know that the producer (and the genre in general) is capable of so much more.

True dat. Something we must all try and avoid.

And P.S. I wasn't really directing all my comments at you.

Just a general thing, for any people reading that are not aware of these things.

No offence pal.

THA ILLSTA wrote: True dat. Something we must all try and avoid.

And P.S. I wasn't really directing all my comments at you.

Just a general thing, for any people reading that are not aware of these things.

No offence pal.

None taken.

I just find it a bit sad that Coki's hype is at its biggest when the productions are at their most repetitive. Not to mention that it leads to wonderful tunes like Old Hope and Serious gathering dust on his harddrive.

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me whether it samples the Catatonia song.

I don't get some of you lot.

Coki has a style. He's a producer.

Are you gonna knock producers like DJ Premier, The Neptunes, Kanye West or RZA for having a style? It's not a problem unless every dubstep producer suddenly starts trying to make the next Spongebob or Road Rage.

I've heard people in dances who've bought a Burial album or a couple of Vex'd cuts actually complain that DJs aren't playing those sort of tracks in clubs. I don't know about you, but I don't like Vex'd much and Burial's stuff is stuff I want to listen to at home, maybe in the car. Hang tight the guy who walked past me at The End a few weeks ago on the phone to his mate:

"Fuck that, dubstep is dead, it's wobbles and that sort of shit."

It ain't like Coki has suddenly found a nice little corner of dubstep that he's claiming as his own. Road Rage or Spongebob are nothing like anything off the Red Eye EP, and Burnin' isn't comparable to much stuff he's done either.

You lot are running too far with the whole formulaic thing. There's nothing wrong with a producer making similar sounding tracks, the problem starts when everyone starts putting out tunes that sound the same as 2D and front like it's not a problem.

You lot forget that Coki is one of the dudes who is responsible for getting the scene to where it is, I very much doubt he's trying to kill it.

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Sand Leaper wrote: I just find it a bit sad that Coki's hype is at its biggest when the productions are at their most repetitive. Not to mention that it leads to wonderful tunes like Old Hope and Serious gathering dust on his harddrive.

Coki's hype is at its largest because he's been putting out consistently decent tunes. How can you say his tunes are at their most repetitive? Unless you're looking over his shoulder at his computer screen, you can't make a statement like that off the basis of two tunes.

Elementalism wrote:I don't get some of you lot.

Coki has a style. He's a producer.

Are you gonna knock producers like DJ Premier, The Neptunes, Kanye West or RZA for having a style? It's not a problem unless every dubstep producer suddenly starts trying to make the next Spongebob or Road Rage.

I've heard people in dances who've bought a Burial album or a couple of Vex'd cuts actually complain that DJs aren't playing those sort of tracks in clubs. I don't know about you, but I don't like Vex'd much and Burial's stuff is stuff I want to listen to at home, maybe in the car. Hang tight the guy who walked past me at The End a few weeks ago on the phone to his mate:

"Fuck that, dubstep is dead, it's wobbles and that sort of shit."

It ain't like Coki has suddenly found a nice little corner of dubstep that he's claiming as his own. Road Rage or Spongebob are nothing like anything off the Red Eye EP, and Burnin' isn't comparable to much stuff he's done either.

You lot are running too far with the whole formulaic thing. There's nothing wrong with a producer making similar sounding tracks, the problem starts when everyone starts putting out tunes that sound the same as 2D and front like it's not a problem.

You lot forget that Coki is one of the dudes who is responsible for getting the scene to where it is, I very much doubt he's trying to kill it.

Yep, a bit of a storm in a teacup.

It's not as if he has made this style for that long.

And you are right. If everyone follows suit and stays that way we are in trouble.

Seen it all before, several times.

But it is people like Mr. Coki that actually bother to innovate, hopefully preventing stagnation in the long term.

Elementalism wrote: Coki's hype is at its largest because he's been putting out consistently decent tunes. How can you say his tunes are at their most repetitive? Unless you're looking over his shoulder at his computer screen, you can't make a statement like that off the basis of two tunes.

That the tunes are "consistently decent" is your opinion.

The point is, it is only now that he's followed the formula he established for about a year ("Beep" and "Earth A Run Red", for instance, are near identical) and consistently fed the dancefloor the "bangers" it wants that his hype has gone up. And frankly, that is quite ironic for a scene that places so much importance on versatility.

Don't get me wrong, I think Coki has a lot of talent, and combined with Mala they make some of the most exciting music around. But this is also why it is all the more frustrating that he keeps taking the safe way out these days.

HELL TO ALL THE HATERS!!

Its not as if Coki is making a ton of cash out of saturating the market with a slew of releases that all sound the same, so what if the latest studio sessions all sound slightly similar, he is exploring a sound, a sound which im sure most of you with ears working will know, is distinctly HIS.

The style in question here hadnt been done before by anyone, but unfortunately will be from now on in.

I seem to remember not so long ago people were moaning about there being so many 'standard coki wobblers around'

Man comes out with another completely off the wall style, and still folk aint happy, what gives?

Do people tell Jeff Mills that he explores the minimal style too much and should do something different?

Maybe Kode-9 should use a different MC for every tune, as SpaceApes tones are getting too familiar?

Let the man do what he likes, just be glad that theres an innovator in the ranks, not his fault if the DJ's cane his tunes in excelsis, is it now?

electric eliminator wrote: Man comes out with another completely off the wall style, and still folk aint happy, what gives?

I fail to see how Spongebob is so completely and radically different from his previous tunes? It sounds like another one of his tried and tested basslines to me, same structure, same progression, same emphasis. The only difference is that it has been warped and distorted like hell.

And Jeff Mills has been doing stuff outside of minimalism for years. Probably cos he has never felt compelled to provide his crowd with "bangers".

Sand Leaper wrote:

electric eliminator wrote: Man comes out with another completely off the wall style, and still folk aint happy, what gives?

I fail to see how Spongebob is so completely and radically different from his previous tunes? It sounds like another one of his tried and tested basslines to me, same structure, same progression, same emphasis. The only difference is that it has been warped and distorted like hell.

And Jeff Mills has been doing stuff outside of minimalism for years. Probably cos he has never felt compelled to provide his crowd with "bangers".

Name a tune that Coki has made that sounds similar to Spongebob.

I don't get what you're proposing we listen to at dances? We're at a point in dubstep where you can hear wobble, 80s chillout, 70s soul, reggae, cheesy American reggae, Teedra Moses as well as leftfield shit like 2D, The Vee and Spongebob that no one had thought of doing before.

Either you're saying that we need to hear more of what you'd call 'the old Coki' or you're saying that he isn't evolving quick enough.

I'm getting bored of chin scratchers wearing Dubstep t-shirts standing around dances looking miserable. The scene is heading in directions that no-one could have foreseen a year ago, if you ain't feeling a tune go to the bar and chat to a girl, don't leave the rave, go home and rant on the internet.

I ain't dissing anyone and I'm all for free speech, but you can't deny that tunes like Spongebob do things to dances.

Coki, I beg you come out and admit that you're also Burial. There'll be at least a couple suicides on here, cuz!