Pistonsbeneath wrote:thats very interesting alphacat as always
youre saying the catholic church with it's immense power and wealth is the roman empire?
my gf studied ancient history at uni so might ask her what she thinks
Essentially, the power and wealth accrued by the Empire were so vast that it couldn't all be liquidated by so-called barbarians - not by a long shot. In fact, all that power & wealth was a kind of gravity, sucking in these outlying peoples who were just emerging from neolithic tribalism. Adopting Christianity as the state faith was very much a political move by the Romans at the latter stages of empire (the man given credit, Constantine, is
very dubiously regarded as a practicing Christian) to placate the growing Christian majority.
However, they also stumbled across the fact that people become very deadly serious about laws handed down from a great bully in the sky as opposed to a mere man pretending to be divine. How this newfound power came to be exploited laid the foundations for Europe's political history since then: Christianity laid down a heavenly mandate that there will always be someone above you, ruling you, and it started on high with Christ, came to Earth through the pontiff, the kings, the nobles, and anyone else who needed to morally justify what had almost always come as the result of force. The implicit pecking order of the universe of the West was laid down thus.
Which is not to say that other cultures have not arrived at the same conclusion, but rather that there was a self-reinforcing dynamic that got kickstarted with the switch from material power to spiritual power... kind of a feedback loop as it were. Another part of that is the inherent irrationality of the basic premise of Christianity - how can there be an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-good God who loves us unconditionally and yet lets evil happen? The paradoxical discord there is actually one of the reasons for the success of the faith; the logical mind cannot solve it, only mull it over endlessly.