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kidshuffle wrote:

hugh wrote:How can americans, of all people from all nations on this planet, be so against immigration? They do realise that their country is like 5 minutes old right?

so brits are allowed to be ignorant because they've been around longer as a "nation"? fack off m8

I clearly didn't write that, don't twist my words.
*edit, actually I found your comment fucking annoying. Grow up.

why is twitter so aptly designed for spewing shit at nobody in particular... why do people love parading their stupid opinions so much

at least youtube comments are usually somehow related to the video that's at their URL

hugh wrote:How can americans, of all people from all nations on this planet, be so against immigration? They do realise that their country is like 5 minutes old right?

Notions of entitlement. The same shit that makes people of every socioeconomic stripe act stupid everywhere.

alphacat wrote:

hugh wrote:How can americans, of all people from all nations on this planet, be so against immigration? They do realise that their country is like 5 minutes old right?

Notions of entitlement. The same shit that makes people of every socioeconomic stripe act stupid everywhere.

I find the idea that where you were born gives you more or less rights than another person sickening anyway.

hugh wrote:

alphacat wrote:

hugh wrote:How can americans, of all people from all nations on this planet, be so against immigration? They do realise that their country is like 5 minutes old right?

Notions of entitlement. The same shit that makes people of every socioeconomic stripe act stupid everywhere.

I find the idea that where you were born gives you more or less rights than another person sickening anyway.

I find it stupid that people of a certain race/religion/nationality can adapt the majority values without question just due to where or who they're born to.

deadly habit wrote:

hugh wrote:

alphacat wrote:

hugh wrote:How can americans, of all people from all nations on this planet, be so against immigration? They do realise that their country is like 5 minutes old right?

Notions of entitlement. The same shit that makes people of every socioeconomic stripe act stupid everywhere.

I find the idea that where you were born gives you more or less rights than another person sickening anyway.

I find it stupid that people of a certain race/religion/nationality can adapt the majority values without question just due to where or who they're born to.

yes it´s quite funny, for example in south america there is a strong feeling of hate to the spanish colonization ( wich is completely logical ) but they mantain the christian religion, a religion which they were forced to practice and completely foreign to their culture...

deadly habit wrote:

hugh wrote:

alphacat wrote:

hugh wrote:How can americans, of all people from all nations on this planet, be so against immigration? They do realise that their country is like 5 minutes old right?

Notions of entitlement. The same shit that makes people of every socioeconomic stripe act stupid everywhere.

I find the idea that where you were born gives you more or less rights than another person sickening anyway.

I find it stupid that people of a certain race/religion/nationality can adapt the majority values without question just due to where or who they're born to.

social conditioning? I can't really explain it. I guess it brings a sense of belonging and togetherness which most people crave at some kind of level.

test recordings wrote:Interesting history of the subject, didn't know about it until know...

Didn't the Chinese Americans also basically build the railways?

only half of it lol

and black people built the other half?

irish

hugh wrote:

deadly habit wrote:

hugh wrote:

alphacat wrote:

hugh wrote:How can americans, of all people from all nations on this planet, be so against immigration? They do realise that their country is like 5 minutes old right?

Notions of entitlement. The same shit that makes people of every socioeconomic stripe act stupid everywhere.

I find the idea that where you were born gives you more or less rights than another person sickening anyway.

I find it stupid that people of a certain race/religion/nationality can adapt the majority values without question just due to where or who they're born to.

social conditioning? I can't really explain it. I guess it brings a sense of belonging and togetherness which most people crave at some kind of level.

Roman Catholicism was basically engineered to take advantage of the leftover culture of the Romans through it's use of Latin and it's universalist ideology, hence the indigenous south American people carrying it on as they don't see the conflict in ideas and many other countries banning it. China's government installs it's own pope because, reasonably, they argue that a person speaking to God is still a person and anyone can do it as a person themselves.

I'm also not being funny but a lot of white Americans in Japan have a proper sense of entitlement, and it was a white American that pointed it out to me in the first place as well... I've never really met enough to come to across but now I stay well clear of anyone with that attitude

test recordings wrote:Roman Catholicism was basically engineered to take advantage of the leftover culture of the Romans through it's use of Latin and it's universalist ideology, hence the indigenous south American people carrying it on as they don't see the conflict in ideas and many other countries banning it....?

I would go one step further and say that (imo) the Roman Empire realized that it's political grip on the populace was fading, and shifted control of their minions from the mundane to the only thing the [then newly Christianized] world had come to care about - their spiritual wellbeing in eternity. I.e., the Roman Empire never died; they simply changed modalities.

thats very interesting alphacat as always

youre saying the catholic church with it's immense power and wealth is the roman empire?

my gf studied ancient history at uni so might ask her what she thinks

Pistonsbeneath wrote:thats very interesting alphacat as always

youre saying the catholic church with it's immense power and wealth is the roman empire?

my gf studied ancient history at uni so might ask her what she thinks

Essentially, the power and wealth accrued by the Empire were so vast that it couldn't all be liquidated by so-called barbarians - not by a long shot. In fact, all that power & wealth was a kind of gravity, sucking in these outlying peoples who were just emerging from neolithic tribalism. Adopting Christianity as the state faith was very much a political move by the Romans at the latter stages of empire (the man given credit, Constantine, is very dubiously regarded as a practicing Christian) to placate the growing Christian majority.

However, they also stumbled across the fact that people become very deadly serious about laws handed down from a great bully in the sky as opposed to a mere man pretending to be divine. How this newfound power came to be exploited laid the foundations for Europe's political history since then: Christianity laid down a heavenly mandate that there will always be someone above you, ruling you, and it started on high with Christ, came to Earth through the pontiff, the kings, the nobles, and anyone else who needed to morally justify what had almost always come as the result of force. The implicit pecking order of the universe of the West was laid down thus.

Which is not to say that other cultures have not arrived at the same conclusion, but rather that there was a self-reinforcing dynamic that got kickstarted with the switch from material power to spiritual power... kind of a feedback loop as it were. Another part of that is the inherent irrationality of the basic premise of Christianity - how can there be an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-good God who loves us unconditionally and yet lets evil happen? The paradoxical discord there is actually one of the reasons for the success of the faith; the logical mind cannot solve it, only mull it over endlessly.

Pistonsbeneath, be sure to ask your mrs. about the Byzantine Empire..

for the record the eye roll was an accident

I meant to do a smiley

kinda changes the meaning of my post

tune battle

I think Pistons would mop the floor with me.

fists battle

alphacat wrote:I think Pistons would mop the floor with me.

You're too kind

Never heard any music from you actually, pull out some weird concepts from your unique creative brain and build music around them maybe?