Dubstepforum.com

Doozle wrote:this one made me laugh



I can't work out how serious they are

here i made one

pkay wrote:here i made one

god these cant be real

What the fuck is kandi?

Harkat wrote:What the fuck is kandi?

I think it's these hand-made bracelets? Someone posted a link before

-

Only for true ravers

lol these are absolutely real, I know so many kids like this

omg i hate it when this happens



i'm like 'shut up'

Impossible, noone comes up with stuff this cringey, I won't believe it.

so i can still be cool?


is that like a clit hood?

b2b

exfox wrote:

Is that the 'no no no' cat? If so, if you have cats, play that video and full volume and they get really confused #banter

Terpit wrote:

exfox wrote:

Is that the 'no no no' cat? If so, if you have cats, play that video and full volume and they get really confused #banter

yes
this got my cat mad confused when i played it
Soundcloud

frenchboy wrote:

Genevieve wrote:Taking E is a lot like 14 year olds drinking alcopops or wine coolers because of this whole EDM fad

saying EDM is a fad is like saying computers are a fad

"EDM" and "electronic music" aren't the same. "EDM" isn't even music, it's a modern American subculture that has unsurped bits of '90s American and modern European rave culture into a new, glossier and more accessible form.

I'm with the others that electronic music as a whole, in the grand scheme of things is prob's a fad too. The way jazz was when you look at it when taking all of western history into consideration. But speaking of modern times, "#EDM" isn't like a cultural force that's sweeping the nation. It's what happens when the scene and metalcore kids are tired of downtuned guitars and set their eyes on glowsticks. This isn't an insult to those genres or a criticism either. Like "OH YEAH FUCKING METALCORE KIDS. EDM IS ELECTRONIC METALCORE". Just that the same segment of the population that used to buy Atreyu shirts at Hot Topic is now taking molly at a Deadmau5 "rave".

OMFG TOTALLY EPIPHANY.

I was thinking about "EDM" while I was out and it's in many ways like the opposite of the "IDM" thing from a few years ago. Both meaningless umbrella terms that were used for the opposite reason.

IDM was never music. First it was a mailinglist and then the term was used to describe some loosely related music that was made by musicians in the rave/techno/house scene that wasn't strictly dancefloor. It was all still house, techno or ambient music, but due to it having some non-dancable qualities, it could be appropriated by those outside of the rave scene as something else. And indie rock was notoriously critical of electronic music and rave culture. Rockists saw the whole rave scene as hedonistic, anti-intellectual music and they didn't want rock music to be associated with. It was snobbiness plain and simple (I mean, INTELLIGENT dance music that was more "complex"? Your average Noisia track is 10 times as complex as most music traditionally described as IDM) Still, more (alt/indie) rock musicians were using techno and breakbeat influences in their music, which made electronic music something you can listen to as a snobby, intelligent rocker. And thus, the term "IDM" was adopted by the "rock crowd". And with the growth and development of the electronic music scene and new styles emerging, the term "IDM" started to be applied to more music. Today, everything from filthy, crusty lo-fi mash-up gabber (srsly, I saw a breakcore remix of 'U Can't Touch This' by MC Hammer called "IDM") to dubstep, trip-hop and even UKG is labeled as "IDM" by the indie rock crowd that likes some electronic music, but feels the culture is "dumb" and "hedonistic" and doesn't want to associate itself with dumb music like "drum & bass" or "techno".

EDM (or more accurately, #EDM) represents the polar opposite of that. It's not about the music anymore. It has actually completely distanced itself from the music. Dubstep, drum & bass, house, techno, hardstyle, they're all EDM. But music stopped being the point about the culture and the events. The musical aspect itself was diminished. People went to the events because you're supposed to do that. They started taking drugs, trading kandi, glowsticking, even producing, because you're supposed to do that. The musical qualities stopped mattering to your typical EDM fan, they became an expendable aspect of the experience as a whole. It's about the whole package and getting fucked up for the sake of getting fucked up. I think most kids IN the EDM craze also come from a rock background. Where rock has become so anti-hedonistic, that people see no choice but to adopt the "hedonistic" aspects of another culture and amplify it.

In contrast, the rave scene as we know and contribute to it is a mixture of both. We love the music, but "we" don't take drugs because it's part of the culture (if you even take drugs at all). "We" do it because the combination of music + drugs + dancing can be enjoyable. We don't intellectualize OR de-intellectualize the music (some of us do but for the sake of the argument....). We see equal measures of both; we recognize the fun and hedonism it can bring, but also the purely musical enjoyment it gives us outside of the rave. It doesn't have to be either/or.

EliteLennon117 wrote:

Shum wrote:were you even born then?

#93. People still call all electronic music techno in my area.

Need some adresses and names.

lol america.

#185: When you started enjoying dubstep and all your friends only listen to actual techno now