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SCope13 wrote:

collige wrote:

wormcode wrote:

AxeD wrote:Strongly against this. Maybe easy for me to talk but yeah.

Why's that?

The Wire creator is against it as well. I'm confused by his reasoning though. He doesn't know there's bound to be a couple of black people in Colorado or Washington? http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/ma ... -drug-laws

He seems to take more of an 'all or nothing' kinda stance, but that's dreams.
Definitely agree with what he says about juries refusing to prosecute for possession though, that's key.

His reasoning is that simply legalizing/decriminalizing marijuana in a few (or even all) states does nothing to help the communities who have been hit the hardest by the war on drugs and may even slow down that process because people will then perceive the issue as being solved.

That's actually a good point.

"I want the thing to fall as one complete edifice. If they manage to let a few white middle-class people off the hook, that's very dangerous. If they can find a way for white kids in middle-class suburbia to get high without them going to jail," he continued, "and getting them to think that what they do is a million miles away from black kids taking crack, that is what politicians would do."

alphacat wrote: I've been going to the local indoor grow shows for a while now, and the audience and focus has DEFINITELY shifted away from DIYers, hippies, organic types and towards large scale commercial cultivation run by gangs. It used to be that you'd overhear "yeah man, I was at that Dead show in '79!" Now it's stuff like "n*gga, I be slangin' el-bees and shit n*gga!" ...Massive quantities of chemferts being used. No concern for quality; these guys think reading is for squares, so how the heck are they supposed to know what an apical meristem is or when to use FIM versus tie-down training or anything like that?

But hopefully, hopefully at least the criminal aspect of it eases with decrim/legalization sheerly by deincentivizing it with lower profit margins.

Hopefully.

alphacat wrote:^ We're already seeing it in the form of dabs. People are getting so high they're actually blacking out and hitting their head and stuff.

Genevieve wrote:I'd hate seeing a 19 year old kid's life and career ruined because he was careless when smoking pot in public.

But that quote addresses what I wanted to say earlier. The war on drugs is a racist war. Alcohol is a white man's drug so no one legislates against that. Same with weed now. So if you legalize weed, that's a lot of white college kids who don't get their whole life ruined, but blacks will still get disproprtionally harsh sentences over other drugs.

The war on drugs isn't just about the drugs. If you neglect the racial component, you only get half the story. And with weed legalized, it'll be completely ignored.

NPR.org wrote:
Go East, Young Marijuana Dealer

Chuck used to sell marijuana in California. But the legalization of medical marijuana in the state meant he was suddenly competing against hundreds of marijuana dispensaries. So he moved to New York, where marijuana is still 100 percent illegal. Since making the move, he says, he's quadrupled his income. (For the record: His name isn't really Chuck.)

He spends pretty much every day dealing what he calls "farm-to-table" marijuana. On a recent afternoon in his dimly lit New York apartment, he was just about to complete a daily ritual: loading about 50 baggies of marijuana, worth a total of about $3,000 into his backpack, before heading out to make deliveries. "We're helping keep people stoned on a Friday night in New York City," he said.

Eighteen states and the District of Columbia have now legalized marijuana, either for medical use or for fun. And, it turns out, when one state brings an underground market into the mainstream and another doesn't, there are economic consequences in both places.

Dealers aren't the only ones with an incentive to move marijuana out of California. The legalization of medical marijuana led to a rush of pot farmers with permits to grow marijuana legally. That in turn led to a supply glut — and plummeting wholesale prices. Some growers haven't been able to unload all their crops at the price they want on the local, legal market. So they break the law and send it out of state.

Special Agent Roy Giorgi with the California Department of Justice is supposed to stop the illegal flow of marijuana in California. That can mean crouching in the brush in some remote part of the mountains, or it can mean heading to a FedEx or UPS in California's pot country to take a look at all the outgoing parcels and try to detect marijuana inside.

He estimates that 1 in 15 packages he examines has marijuana in it. "Right now, Northern California bud, that trademark, that stamp, is really some of the best in the world," he says.

Of course, all of Giorgi's efforts to catch marijuana growers and dealers tend to drive people out of the illegal marijuana business. That, in turn, means Chuck has less competition — and can charge higher prices.

Chuck sells marijuana for about $60 for an eighth of an ounce; in California, it would be anywhere from $30 to $45. With his New York customers, Chuck talks about marijuana like it's a rare California wine. When he pours out the contents of his backpack to reveal strains with names like Girl Scout Cookies and AK47, his clients are wowed.

Because Chuck is working in an illegal market, his customers have a hard time finding other marijuana retailers. "There's plenty of weed in New York; there's just an illusion of scarcity, which is part of what I'm capitalizing on," he says. "This is a black market business. There's insufficient information for customers."

This is what economists call information asymmetry: Chuck knows more about the market than his customers do. If weed were legal, his customers could comparison shop — they could look at menus and price lists and choose their dealer. As it is, once they find Chuck, they're likely to stick with him.

Note: A version of this story originally aired as part of the WNYC series The Weed Next Door. The headline on this post was inspired by @MichaelMontCW

Brad Gibbs, of Greenest Green, which has just opened a new state-approved lab in Denver Co., filled with $100,000 in equipment, specializing in BHO, says that the new product is so superior, buds will eventually disappear, at least among, “our generation,”—users under 40. “Dabs are the future of cannabis, both recreational and medicinal,” he adds

Mason wrote:what even are dabs? i've been out the loop too long haha

alphacat wrote:^ This too has already begun.

I've been going to the local indoor grow shows for a while now, and the audience and focus has DEFINITELY shifted away from DIYers, hippies, organic types and towards large scale commercial cultivation run by gangs. It used to be that you'd overhear "yeah man, I was at that Dead show in '79!" Now it's stuff like "n*gga, I be slangin' el-bees and shit n*gga!" ...Massive quantities of chemferts being used. No concern for quality; these guys think reading is for squares, so how the heck are they supposed to know what an apical meristem is or when to use FIM versus tie-down training or anything like that?

But hopefully, hopefully at least the criminal aspect of it eases with decrim/legalization sheerly by deincentivizing it with lower profit margins.

Hopefully.

hugh wrote:

Mason wrote:what even are dabs? i've been out the loop too long haha

I didn't know either, they are just a form of super pure solid. Just click on that link I posted, it's pretty self explanatory.

hugh wrote:

Mason wrote:what even are dabs? i've been out the loop too long haha

I didn't know either, they are just a form of super pure solid. Just click on that link I posted, it's pretty self explanatory.

Mason wrote:what even are dabs? i've been out the loop too long haha

imami wrote:

hugh wrote:

Mason wrote:what even are dabs? i've been out the loop too long haha

I didn't know either, they are just a form of super pure solid. Just click on that link I posted, it's pretty self explanatory.

dabs are a sort of hash that is extracted with butane, which makes it super concentrated.. It's like 75% THC and THC related compounds i think, whereas normal good weed is like < 15-20% these days. It melts into liquid when you heat it.