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Re: Percussion, tribal vibes. How do i get it to live?

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 3:30 pm
by tintala
This producer is infamous for using tribal elements in his music... check it.

http://kalyascintilla.bandcamp.com/albu ... ives-vol-1

Re: Percussion, tribal vibes. How do i get it to live?

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:41 pm
by fiveone
get the right samples, and add delay and reverb to taste. i use TAL-dub and fruity delay bank for most of my drums, then EQ to bring out the some of the lower freq (while high passing them)
i'd start with a basic beat and experiment with different sounds around it

Re: Percussion, tribal vibes. How do i get it to live?

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:17 pm
by Efrafa11
Epoxtacy wrote:
test recordings wrote:
Brothulhu wrote:Ah so get a percussion track you like the rhythm off but not the sounds and have it trigger sounds you do like?
Exactly
and how do you do that? that sounds fucking interesting though
A sidechained gate would do the trick or just lining up your midi...

Re: Percussion, tribal vibes. How do i get it to live?

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:09 pm
by test_recordings
Efrafa11 wrote:
Epoxtacy wrote:
test recordings wrote:
Brothulhu wrote:Ah so get a percussion track you like the rhythm off but not the sounds and have it trigger sounds you do like?
Exactly
and how do you do that? that sounds fucking interesting though
A sidechained gate would do the trick or just lining up your midi...
test recordings wrote:
Brothulhu wrote:
test recordings wrote:If you like a rhythm but don't like a sound, use the rhythm through a gated trigger
Could you elaborate on this, sounds interesting but I don't know ow to try it
I'm not 100% sure how to do it digitally but put a noise gate on the track you want to put the new sample/sounds on etc then set the trigger to the track you want to use the rhythm from.

There must also be some way to 'beat map' a clip to midi notes then you could lay samples across it?
How can you do it in a DAW though?

Re: Percussion, tribal vibes. How do i get it to live?

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 2:53 pm
by tintala
Or learn to play tabla or doumbek. :4:

Re: Percussion, tribal vibes. How do i get it to live?

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 2:55 pm
by SunkLo
Even if you don't have a drum or a means to record it, learning how it's played via some tutorial videos or something will give you some insight on how to program realistic phrases.

Re: Percussion, tribal vibes. How do i get it to live?

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 4:08 pm
by Epoxtacy
SunkLo wrote:Even if you don't have a drum or a means to record it, learning how it's played via some tutorial videos or something will give you some insight on how to program realistic phrases.
Yeah ofc i did, having a hard time converting that into my daw

Re: Percussion, tribal vibes. How do i get it to live?

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 4:10 pm
by Epoxtacy
tintala wrote:This producer is infamous for using tribal elements in his music... check it.

http://kalyascintilla.bandcamp.com/albu ... ives-vol-1
Never even heard of him, got some pretty sick trippy music going on man, damn..

Re: Percussion, tribal vibes. How do i get it to live?

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 6:20 pm
by mks
tintala wrote:Or learn to play tabla or doumbek. :4:
I love recording my own percussion parts.

Re: Percussion, tribal vibes. How do i get it to live?

Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 1:08 pm
by legend4ry
I find a lot of the problems are samples themselves.

When I am going for something natural sounding I will grab loops and chop them up, sometimes into single shots and bring the decay down so I can add my own reverb to its treated in the environment I am using (even though its virtual..).

From there i'll generally add some small delay and keep the compression down - a lot of the dull sounding from percussion comes from over compression imo..

Re: Percussion, tribal vibes. How do i get it to live?

Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 3:27 pm
by Efrafa11
test recordings wrote:
Efrafa11 wrote:
Epoxtacy wrote:
test recordings wrote:
Brothulhu wrote:Ah so get a percussion track you like the rhythm off but not the sounds and have it trigger sounds you do like?
Exactly
and how do you do that? that sounds fucking interesting though
A sidechained gate would do the trick or just lining up your midi...
test recordings wrote:
Brothulhu wrote:
test recordings wrote:If you like a rhythm but don't like a sound, use the rhythm through a gated trigger
Could you elaborate on this, sounds interesting but I don't know ow to try it
I'm not 100% sure how to do it digitally but put a noise gate on the track you want to put the new sample/sounds on etc then set the trigger to the track you want to use the rhythm from.

There must also be some way to 'beat map' a clip to midi notes then you could lay samples across it?
How can you do it in a DAW though?
Reason has sidechain-able gate in its mixing view or
I think you could accomplish it with the peak limiter and a gate in Fl.
Can't say for sure for other daws but a noise gate with extra bells and whistles I would imagine should have the feature.

Re: Percussion, tribal vibes. How do i get it to live?

Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:26 am
by test_recordings
You'd hope so, I prefer analogue for the easy DIY aspect

Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:45 am
by Marzz
Brothulhu wrote:Play with velocity or use multisamples of the percussion being played in different ways to make it more varied, dont have it quantised to make it less robotic, play with panning to give it space and use some delay and reverb
exactly

give it emotion and make it feel human lol...

Re: Percussion, tribal vibes. How do i get it to live?

Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 12:29 pm
by Icetickle
You can try the reverse reverb technique on one of the samples.

1. Reverse a dry sample.
2. Add a reverb lasting like 2 seconds
3. Bump the whole thing (reversed sample with the reverb) and reverse it again.

TA DA

Re: Percussion, tribal vibes. How do i get it to live?

Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:26 pm
by titchbit
I haven't read the whole thread, so people have probably already mentioned these, but velocity changes, panning, reverb, and some light delay are your friends.

Re: Percussion, tribal vibes. How do i get it to live?

Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:16 pm
by Epoxtacy
Icetickle wrote:You can try the reverse reverb technique on one of the samples.

1. Reverse a dry sample.
2. Add a reverb lasting like 2 seconds
3. Bump the whole thing (reversed sample with the reverb) and reverse it again.

TA DA
Haha sounds awesome, curious what this will do to the sound

Re: Percussion, tribal vibes. How do i get it to live?

Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 12:44 am
by tintala
Check out this album, lots of percussion with tribal elements, very deep and with intention.
http://merkabamusic1.bandcamp.com/album ... chitecture

Re: Percussion, tribal vibes. How do i get it to live?

Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:05 am
by Brothulhu
Icetickle wrote:You can try the reverse reverb technique on one of the samples.

1. Reverse a dry sample.
2. Add a reverb lasting like 2 seconds
3. Bump the whole thing (reversed sample with the reverb) and reverse it again.

TA DA
This never sounds good when I try it :(

Re: Percussion, tribal vibes. How do i get it to live?

Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:09 am
by wub
Sidechain the panning to be automated by the velocity, adjust the trigger parameters to taste.

Re: Percussion, tribal vibes. How do i get it to live?

Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:49 am
by Brothulhu
wub wrote:Sidechain the panning to be automated by the velocity, adjust the trigger parameters to taste.
Panning is the only thing I don't normally automate in percussion, will give this a go. Sounds cool having one thing automate another, might sound cool to try and have velocity control everything for the percussion like effects parameters