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BrainSick wrote:Does anybody think Massive has it's limitations or any weaknesses in creating instruments? I know it's probably the best for making bass sounds, but what about all the other sounds? Is there any reason I should invest in another plug-in> I've already invested a ton just for Massive because someone assured me I couldn't go wrong. Took forever just to save for it, just didn't wanna be misled.. I really haven't got into sound design enough to know all the capabilities it does possess. I plan on reading the Sound Design thread tonight. Just noticed it today.. Was it just posted recently?

BrainSick wrote: Hey,mromgwtf, how do I turn my volume up? The master volume? I know it sounds stupid, but each instrument has it's own volume AND the master inside massive that can be altered. Then, of course, there's the master which controls all audio coming out equally?

Triphosphate wrote:

BrainSick wrote:Does anybody think Massive has it's limitations or any weaknesses in creating instruments? I know it's probably the best for making bass sounds, but what about all the other sounds? Is there any reason I should invest in another plug-in> I've already invested a ton just for Massive because someone assured me I couldn't go wrong. Took forever just to save for it, just didn't wanna be misled.. I really haven't got into sound design enough to know all the capabilities it does possess. I plan on reading the Sound Design thread tonight. Just noticed it today.. Was it just posted recently?

Massive, like any other synth, is going to have limitations. But that someone who assured you that you couldn't go wrong with it didn't totally mislead you; it's powerful, it's intuitive, and it has some nice wavetables. I wouldn't say massive is the best for making bass sounds. FM synthesis holds that title, IMO. Also, massive isn't limited to making bass sounds, you can get really creative making leads, pads, arpeggios, etc. with it. The biggest limitation with massive, to me, is the fact that a lot of wavetables are immediately recognizable (like modern talking) which means they've been rinsed to the point of mediocrity.

I don't think you should invest in any other plugins at the moment. Get to know the tools you have very well before you decide it's time to invest in another. In fact, if I were you I'd fall back to a simpler synth (preferably a DAW native one) and master it, first. Realize, also, that a lot of the magic happens not inside the synth itself, but in the processing you apply to it after.

mromgwtf wrote:

BrainSick wrote: Hey,mromgwtf, how do I turn my volume up? The master volume? I know it sounds stupid, but each instrument has it's own volume AND the master inside massive that can be altered. Then, of course, there's the master which controls all audio coming out equally?

Turn up your SPEAKERS, so -6db coming from your daw will be already loud for you.

SunkLo wrote:Zebra >>> Massive imo
Alchemy's great too.

But yeah learn the synth you have first.

mromgwtf wrote:Holy shit man.. I have one tip. STOP USING OVER DISTORTED LOUD MODERN TALKING

fragments wrote:

SunkLo wrote:Zebra >>> Massive imo
Alchemy's great too.

But yeah learn the synth you have first.

<3 Alchemy <3

Just traded a buddy of mine Absynth for Alchemy. I feel like he lost out on the deal...


BrainSick: This is not in opposition to mromgwtf's advice, but mix with your monitors/headphones turned down as low as possible. Long term you will save your ears, short term you won't suffer ear fatigue as quickly and overall you'll probably get a better mix. I find it's much easier to structure my gain staging at lower listening levels as it's much easier to tell when one element is way too loud or not loud enough.

SunkLo wrote:Zebra >>> Massive imo
Alchemy's great too.

But yeah learn the synth you have first.

Coolschmid wrote:

mromgwtf wrote:Holy shit man.. I have one tip. STOP USING OVER DISTORTED LOUD MODERN TALKING

Hahahaha thanks man! I was listening on headphones with it turned up, and read that just in time. I managed to turn it down a bunch but it was still really loud

fragments wrote:

SunkLo wrote:Zebra >>> Massive imo
Alchemy's great too.

But yeah learn the synth you have first.

<3 Alchemy <3

Just traded a buddy of mine Absynth for Alchemy. I feel like he lost out on the deal...


BrainSick: This is not in opposition to mromgwtf's advice, but mix with your monitors/headphones turned down as low as possible. Long term you will save your ears, short term you won't suffer ear fatigue as quickly and overall you'll probably get a better mix. I find it's much easier to structure my gain staging at lower listening levels as it's much easier to tell when one element is way too loud or not loud enough.

BrainSick wrote:

Triphosphate wrote:

BrainSick wrote:Does anybody think Massive has it's limitations or any weaknesses in creating instruments? I know it's probably the best for making bass sounds, but what about all the other sounds? Is there any reason I should invest in another plug-in> I've already invested a ton just for Massive because someone assured me I couldn't go wrong. Took forever just to save for it, just didn't wanna be misled.. I really haven't got into sound design enough to know all the capabilities it does possess. I plan on reading the Sound Design thread tonight. Just noticed it today.. Was it just posted recently?

Massive, like any other synth, is going to have limitations. But that someone who assured you that you couldn't go wrong with it didn't totally mislead you; it's powerful, it's intuitive, and it has some nice wavetables. I wouldn't say massive is the best for making bass sounds. FM synthesis holds that title, IMO. Also, massive isn't limited to making bass sounds, you can get really creative making leads, pads, arpeggios, etc. with it. The biggest limitation with massive, to me, is the fact that a lot of wavetables are immediately recognizable (like modern talking) which means they've been rinsed to the point of mediocrity.

I don't think you should invest in any other plugins at the moment. Get to know the tools you have very well before you decide it's time to invest in another. In fact, if I were you I'd fall back to a simpler synth (preferably a DAW native one) and master it, first. Realize, also, that a lot of the magic happens not inside the synth itself, but in the processing you apply to it after.

I have worked with operator. But only a few months due to the fact I got Massive and it was so much easier to control and understand once I learned it well enough. One word I caught in your post was "RINSED" What the heck does it mean to rinse something? Please tell me thats production lingo and not something I should know through commmon sense...? It's things like that that lose me.

By the way, I read the sound production thread subcategory about drum samples.. I was encouraged by the fact that I have Vengance Club essentials and a couple other packs that a buddy loaded up for me to use. He uses Reason but told me I could use these samples in Ableton. Just have to layer them and figure out how to find the best sounds and EQ them and put effects on them to build a finished product?

1. rinse

to rince a song/film

to play a song/film so many times you got bored of it.

SunkLo wrote:
My top 5 desert island synths would be:
Alchemy
Absynth
Zebra2
FM8
Reaktor Prism

Triphosphate wrote:

BrainSick wrote:

Triphosphate wrote:

BrainSick wrote:Does anybody think Massive has it's limitations or any weaknesses in creating instruments? I know it's probably the best for making bass sounds, but what about all the other sounds? Is there any reason I should invest in another plug-in> I've already invested a ton just for Massive because someone assured me I couldn't go wrong. Took forever just to save for it, just didn't wanna be misled.. I really haven't got into sound design enough to know all the capabilities it does possess. I plan on reading the Sound Design thread tonight. Just noticed it today.. Was it just posted recently?

Massive, like any other synth, is going to have limitations. But that someone who assured you that you couldn't go wrong with it didn't totally mislead you; it's powerful, it's intuitive, and it has some nice wavetables. I wouldn't say massive is the best for making bass sounds. FM synthesis holds that title, IMO. Also, massive isn't limited to making bass sounds, you can get really creative making leads, pads, arpeggios, etc. with it. The biggest limitation with massive, to me, is the fact that a lot of wavetables are immediately recognizable (like modern talking) which means they've been rinsed to the point of mediocrity.

I don't think you should invest in any other plugins at the moment. Get to know the tools you have very well before you decide it's time to invest in another. In fact, if I were you I'd fall back to a simpler synth (preferably a DAW native one) and master it, first. Realize, also, that a lot of the magic happens not inside the synth itself, but in the processing you apply to it after.

I have worked with operator. But only a few months due to the fact I got Massive and it was so much easier to control and understand once I learned it well enough. One word I caught in your post was "RINSED" What the heck does it mean to rinse something? Please tell me thats production lingo and not something I should know through commmon sense...? It's things like that that lose me.

By the way, I read the sound production thread subcategory about drum samples.. I was encouraged by the fact that I have Vengance Club essentials and a couple other packs that a buddy loaded up for me to use. He uses Reason but told me I could use these samples in Ableton. Just have to layer them and figure out how to find the best sounds and EQ them and put effects on them to build a finished product?

from urban dictionary:

1. rinse

to rince a song/film

to play a song/film so many times you got bored of it.

Basically: overused.

Vengeance packs are really nice, you really don't have to do much to them to get them to sound nice because they are already very compressed. But yes, you might want to layer them to make them sound more unique.

Triphosphate wrote:^I'm not saying to compress everything. I'm saying you don't need to compress (or do much of anything, really) to vengeance samples because they are already well processed.

dublerium wrote:

Triphosphate wrote:^I'm not saying to compress everything. I'm saying you don't need to compress (or do much of anything, really) to vengeance samples because they are already well processed.

I see that, it just reads like you mean compressed is the way samples should be, which isn't always the case. If I read it like that new users could too so was just making threads like these more readable for peeps learning

BrainSick wrote: I'm learning quite a lot about compression, although I need to learn MORE... it just comes with repitition and practice... Hoping to make more and going to utilize this forum and all it's resources, as well as youtube and my mentor to further develop...

BrainSick wrote:In my Kesha remix,