Tunguska

[m8son666]

Try it, it is not hard.

doesnt have the same effect though

[nowaysj]

Like I said, you are discussing it, so anything you have to say or link to is invalid. @wub

[wub]

Like I said, you are discussing it, so anything you have to say or link to is invalid.

Reckon NASA counts as a valid source.

[nowaysj]

But you cited it, so it is invalid. Don't you know how this works? Have you never seen circular reasoning?

[wub]

But you cited it, so it is invalid. Don't you know how this works? Have you never seen circular reasoning?

Now that you mention it, there was a circular thread;

http://www.dubstepforum.com/forum/viewt ... 7&t=281109

[wub]

Tesla in 1895 after a meeting with JP Morgan about his new discovery of the "Electric Ray" for Free Wireless Energy. By the time Tesla returned to his 5 story lab in NY, it was burned to the ground.

1890 Tesla's financier in Colorado Springs, Charles Peck died, just as Tesla was switching from working on electric motors to researching radio waves

1891 Tesla Wireless Power + Hydro Plant in Colorado Springs

1893 Days before Tesla lights the Chicago Worlds Fair with AC Power and Fluorescent lighting, JP Morgan stages a banking panic that shuts down the railways headed to the fiar and 15,000 businesses go out of business

1895 Tesla/Westinghouse builds Niagara Falls

09/6/1901 President McKinley assassinated visiting Tesla AC System at Niagara

11/5/1901 Patent #685957 (Wireless Energy)

1903-5 A "string of accidents" plague Wardenclyffe

1905 JP Morgan cancels funding for Wardenclyffe

1906 Co-desiger of Wardenclyffe, Stanford White, was murdered

1907 May Final Patent #1119732 (Wardenclyffe Tower)

1907 Oct Rothschild/Rockefeller's Anaconda Copper vs Heinze's United Copper Banking Panic & FED staged to destroy Heinze/Tesla/Westinghouse/Asto­r

1907 Nov JP Morgan bails out the US Govt

1912 Tesla financier John Astor dies on Titanic

1913 The FED replaces the Free Energy System

1914 Westinghouse & Heinze die

1914 Assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria and WW1 staged to destroy Tesla's hometown, Serbia where 500,000 were killed

1917 Involved in a conspiracy, Woodrow Wilson signed a resolution in 1920 offering "Free Energy Devices" protection. According to some, Wilson was assassinated in 1924 because of his support for Free Energy Devices

7/4/1917 Wardenclyffe Demolished, Tesla Radar scuttled

1929-1931 Tesla invents the "Cosmic Ray Motor"

1931 Great Depression Staged by Bankers

1929-1935 Dust Bowl Storm Staged 180deg from Tesla's 1891 Colorado Springs Lab

1937 Tesla releases his "Dynamic Theory of Gravity"

1938 Tesla gets run over by a Taxi

1/7/1943 Tesla dies two weeks after announcing Worldwide Wireless Energy, Death Ray, Missile Shield

1/15/1943 FBI agents Foxworth & Haberfeld died traveling to meet Eisenhower at his request, a day earlier, seized all the paperwork surrounding Tesla's experiments

1958 General Eisenhower funds DARPA

1961 JFK announces Weather Modification to the UN

1963 President Eisenhower warns of the Scientific Technocratic Elite

1974 President Nixon's "Water Gate" (A Tesla Hydro Project?)

July 4th 1984 , Russia turns off their ELF Weapon, "the Woodpecker"

1985 Reagan announces the Alien Invasion Agenda

1990 GWB Sr (Curious George) funds HAARP

1991 GWB Sr announces the official beginning of the NWO

1998 Bill Clinton bombs the Tesla Museum

2001 GWB Jr/Russia/UN tested Tesla/s weapon on 9/11

[_ronzlo_]

Besides NASA, how about Encyclopedia Brittanica:

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/top ... uska-event

Or Scientific American:

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/his ... ska-event/


Or maybe these?

References[edit]


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NOW:

That being said, I love the piquant stuff more than most of you put together, but all signs indicate that it was ONE of MANY meteorite impacts we've experienced in the last 100ish years.

[lloydnoise]

open ur eyes noways not everything is as it seems/how it gets reported you know

If you even entertain the idea that Tunguska happened, I cannot speak with you because the idea is so idiotic only an idiot would even mention it.

LOL

it did happen, but it was an asteroid

OCC4M u idiots

[nowaysj]

open ur eyes noways not everything is as it seems/how it gets reported you know

If you even entertain the idea that Tunguska happened, I cannot speak with you because the idea is so idiotic only an idiot would even mention it.

LOL

it did happen, but it was an asteroid

Didn't happen

Fake photos of model trees laid down is all the evidence there is. Jeez this topic is like shit for flies.

[lloydnoise]

Tesla was obviously a huge genius and people did a lot of shit to keep his ideas from becoming reality but

1914 Assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria and WW1 staged to destroy Tesla's hometown, Serbia where 500,000 were killed

pretty much discredits everything else there

[lloydnoise]

open ur eyes noways not everything is as it seems/how it gets reported you know

If you even entertain the idea that Tunguska happened, I cannot speak with you because the idea is so idiotic only an idiot would even mention it.

LOL

it did happen, but it was an asteroid

Didn't happen

Fake photos of model trees laid down is all the evidence there is. Jeez this topic is like shit for flies.

This is true, but you know they faked the fake photos as a part of a much larger disinformation programme to make you look like a confused troll on an internet forum

[nowaysj]

[faultier]

Tesla was obviously a huge genius and people did a lot of shit to keep his ideas from becoming reality but

1914 Assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria and WW1 staged to destroy Tesla's hometown, Serbia where 500,000 were killed

pretty much discredits everything else there

i'm fairly sure the whole list is a pisstake...
case in point: "1974 President Nixon's "Water Gate" (A Tesla Hydro Project?)"

[_ronzlo_]

[nowaysj]

Take it wherever I can get it.

[lloydnoise]

Tesla was obviously a huge genius and people did a lot of shit to keep his ideas from becoming reality but

1914 Assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria and WW1 staged to destroy Tesla's hometown, Serbia where 500,000 were killed

pretty much discredits everything else there

i'm fairly sure the whole list is a pisstake...
case in point: "1974 President Nixon's "Water Gate" (A Tesla Hydro Project?)"

lol, fairs

[wysockisauce]

open ur eyes noways not everything is as it seems/how it gets reported you know

If you even entertain the idea that Tunguska happened, I cannot speak with you because the idea is so idiotic only an idiot would even mention it.

LOL

it did happen, but it was an asteroid

Didn't happen

Fake photos of model trees laid down is all the evidence there is. Jeez this topic is like shit for flies.

[Sexual_Chocolate]

open ur eyes man

[rickyarbino]

I dunno if I'm gonna watch this or not, Tesla was a bit of a daft nutcase at the best of times tbh.
Like fair play to him for his accomplishments, but it seems a little bit ludicrous coming from someone with known mental issues who didn't even grasp classical mechanics.