political correctness in music/art

[nousd]

I accumulate all sorts of metalwork, masonry and timberwork to incorporate into buildings...it is called recycling and is lauded.
The tradespeople who made the items don't make claims that their work has been appropriated.

I gather photos, cut-out images from magazines, excerpts from newspapers etc and use them in photomontage & collage.
The source photographers, image-makers and writers can sue me for breech of copyright if I exhibit these pieces publically without their permission.

The difference? Art is ultimately useless.

[nowaysj]

lol fuck this article. authoritarian bullshit.

Appropriating red 22 motherfucker.

[_ronzlo_]

Intellectual Property is a semi-noble relic of the western neoliberal tradition, but may ultimately find itself outflanked by technology.

[DiegoSapiens]

Intellectual Property is a semi-noble relic of the western neoliberal tradition, but may ultimately find itself outflanked by China.

[nowaysj]

Intellectual Property is a semi-noble relic of the western neoliberal tradition, but may ultimately find itself outflanked by China.

America at its founding was the largest intellectually pirating nation. Only once we had an interest in protecting our own intellectual property did we become douche bags. China will probably do the same.

[DiegoSapiens]

good point

[DiegoSapiens]

but in the other hand at the beginning of the last century it was crazy the amount of fundamental inventions that the american did

[lovelydivot]

.......we can't stop most of this stuff from happening anyway, so....

My suggestion is to look at things as an aesthetic CHOIR.

Someone composes it - But many people will sing it...
Sometimes true to the source - sometimes as a progressive version...

If you don't like an individual voice - that's ok
Hold up the original...

If you value continuum - Tell me - How can you engineer in progressive infallibility?
The strength of a thing being unexploitable and un-bastardizable?

Most things - even great things - will be lost to the scale of time.

Do right by it personally...
all else is futile.


Money is a greatly flawed system.

[scspkr99]

Interested in people's position regarding this chair and photograph, this is a reproduction of a chair made in the 60's where the woman was white, how does her being black influence how we interpret this and is it racist?

Personally I think it's not racist but it is distasteful, the photo I think clouds it.

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[nowaysj]

How is it racist, how is it distasteful? Seems more just hot.

[scspkr99]

I don't think it is racist and I think it's distasteful because it's not to my taste. I'll explain in a bit when I've considered it a little more.

[lovelydivot]

Are you saying...

Why is it when black people claim jazz so totally...
they completely forget to consider that one of the greatest advancements
- technically...in terms of technique
..came from the mixed race children of wealthy plantation owners...
who - although kept to the side
- had the benefit of a top notch classical music education...

I remember one jazz musician had said...
I know enough to play - but not enough to ruin it.


I can't remember who said it. But it was one of the more obvious jazz musicians.



I like to think that I am functioning from a post racial standpoint...
I feel comfortable enough talking about matters of race because
No one - including myself - is going to be affected by it - in any life altering way.

You know - what decent white person HASN'T spent time in the slave kitchen.
...making doe eyes at the ladies son...

oh - the race...

6th grade - never thought they weren't black...

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I remember when Madonna's "Holiday" first came on the radio...
I imagined her like - a young Donna Summer...
I can still see her in my head....that girl

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[nousd]

cool
nobody disputing that art is fucking useless

therefore artists should go get a job
like growing vegetables
or healing the sick

and all you would-b producers
indulge yourselves at the expense of your fellow humans

[Dystinkt]

Something to think about-
If it's wrong and potentially racist for white people to appropriate black culture in art, is it also racist for black people to appropriate white culture in art? and does this even happen?

This isn't my definitive opinion, just want to get a discussion going and see what other people think

[lovelydivot]

That reminds me of this time when I graduated from college...

My parents came down and took me to dinner...
and the waitress was all like...

"..so you're not from here..."

and my mom was like...
"we're down to see our daughter graduate...lala"

and then the waitress was like - "Oh yeah, what did she study?'
my mom - "...metals and jewelry"
waitress - "My daughter's in school as well - she's going to work with autistic children"

My mom nods and smiles "OH yeah - that's great!" and looks at me...

and I go...."Insurance Money"

and dinner is ruined.


I turn the table over - leave through the employee entrance
- light a cigarette and walk off down the alley....alone.

[ultraspatial]

why would it be racist? lol

and it does happen - lupe fiasco's band, japanese cartoon, is an example for this
if you stretch it a bit imo you could argue that early techno/electro is blacks appropiating white culture with the whole future/sci-fi w/e themes. or you could just see as afrofuturism

[Harkat]

Something to think about-
If it's wrong and potentially racist for white people to appropriate black culture in art, is it also racist for black people to appropriate white culture in art? and does this even happen?

This isn't my definitive opinion, just want to get a discussion going and see what other people think

The people who argue that "appropriation" is wrong wholesale like that are actually very few and far between. But they would probably say the power dynamic between white people and black people means black people can't actually appropriate from white people in an oppressive manner.

[lovelydivot]

or...we could just accept that we are all on this earth together...
experiencing the same culture bites...
and are free to take from it what we will.

I think the promise of new and different mixes
is just as exciting as discovering a constant or mainstay
of any traditional established culture.

Geography alone will still continue to create it's own.

We have exhausted nothing...keep on


so where you at...
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[didi]

it has no place in art

[lovelydivot]

NEGRESS>.....ne gresss...negress negress negress

fatXnegress

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Did you see that?....He trademarked it.

...brilliant