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Sources for what, his comments, or info re 911? You can find his full interview online, including the edited bits. Re 911, by this point, you must have made up your mind, one way or another.cosmic surgeon wrote:Intriguing. Do you have sources? I'd be very interested to follow this up.
What makes you say that? They have all the resources available.nitz wrote:Surely, USA can not go the this extend to create a fake story
It looks far beyond their threshold - sure USA are the best at creating propaganda but really at the risk of their own determent? Normally they create the propaganda to cause determent to another, not themselves.jesslem wrote:What makes you say that? They have all the resources available.nitz wrote:Surely, USA can not go the this extend to create a fake story
http://jaysanalysis.com/2014/06/02/the- ... -analyzed/cosmic surgeon wrote:I think the whole "he's a Russian spy" thing is just smoke and mirrors. What I've never seen anyone in the media consider is that even if Snowden had entered into a deal to give documents to the Ruskies, he will have done so only under pressure from the US government themselves. Their ironically Tsarist attitude to whistleblowers meant Snowden had to flee or face a lifetime of solitary confinement with no hope of a fair trial. Revoking his passport limits his options and if the only way a nation would grant him asylum is if he surrendered intelligence, what else is he supposed to do?
Good point...nowaysj wrote:http://jaysanalysis.com/2014/06/02/the- ... -analyzed/cosmic surgeon wrote:I think the whole "he's a Russian spy" thing is just smoke and mirrors. What I've never seen anyone in the media consider is that even if Snowden had entered into a deal to give documents to the Ruskies, he will have done so only under pressure from the US government themselves. Their ironically Tsarist attitude to whistleblowers meant Snowden had to flee or face a lifetime of solitary confinement with no hope of a fair trial. Revoking his passport limits his options and if the only way a nation would grant him asylum is if he surrendered intelligence, what else is he supposed to do?
Take a gander.
this and occ4m and srsly guyznitz wrote: Normally they create the propaganda to cause determent to another, not themselves.
...Why go to this extend; what is their aim and what is the purpose for doing so?
Had a read, here's my views:nowaysj wrote:http://jaysanalysis.com/2014/06/02/the- ... -analyzed/cosmic surgeon wrote:I think the whole "he's a Russian spy" thing is just smoke and mirrors. What I've never seen anyone in the media consider is that even if Snowden had entered into a deal to give documents to the Ruskies, he will have done so only under pressure from the US government themselves. Their ironically Tsarist attitude to whistleblowers meant Snowden had to flee or face a lifetime of solitary confinement with no hope of a fair trial. Revoking his passport limits his options and if the only way a nation would grant him asylum is if he surrendered intelligence, what else is he supposed to do?
Take a gander.
Actually this isn't quite the case. Snowden never admitted that he did a different job to the one he originally claimed, only that what you ought to call that job is not an "analyst" but rather a "spy". Pay attention to his remarks about modern intelligence gathering, that these days you're less likely to meet field operatives and more likely to find what are termed "analysts" doing the work which field operatives did classically. Why would he publically admit to being somebody else and blow his own cover?Now, having revealed he was a trained CIA operative, and not just an analyst, Snowden has called into question his entire whistleblower back story (that we questioned all along). In other words, Snowden has in effect said, “I wasn’t really an analyst, I was a professional liar.”
Even if this were true one could hardly blame the whistleblower for it. However this isn't even strictly true. Allegedly, following internal review the NSA were forced to stop spying on world leaders. Whether or not they did in fact do so, the disclosures undoubtedly inspired backlash from said world leaders (though their own complicity in all of this is also questionable, I'll grant that).Meanwhile, no NSA major programs have been halted or ceased.
This is also not strictly correct. Snowden revealed an international collaboration. The fact that ARPANET had been assimilated by the NSA from an early stage does not imply that the global internet was also assimilated (though it does imply that those aspects of it hard-wired on US soil were). ARPANET linked institutions within US jurisdiction - this isn't the same as a global network of undersea cables and a conspiracy involving several nations. With that said it seems wholly disingenuous to claim that:but that the scant few “revelations” from Snowden were already found in James Bamford’s book, The Shadow Factory, published in 2008.
The difference between Bamford and Snowden is that Bamford wrote a book most people didn't read and didn't care about. Snowden approached reputable journalists with connections to reputable newspapers. The reason Bamford isn't in Russia right now is because his book posed no threat whatsoever and included no information regarding contemporary intelligence gathering.the system knew it could get away with a large media operation that exposed something already exposed.