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future one · Post by **future one** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:24 am

The only reason I would ever generate waves in an audio editor would be if I was making kicks.

paradigm_x · Post by **paradigm_x** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:51 am

I think the point is

if you just use a sample, and pitch shift it in a sampler, you get aliasing and other errors from it being one sample manipulated

in the opposite case you have one pure sample for each note, with no manipulation.

ie pure sub !

nice idea

wasteman · Post by **wasteman** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:03 pm

Paradigm X wrote:I think the point is

if you just use a sample, and pitch shift it in a sampler, you get aliasing and other errors from it being one sample manipulated

in the opposite case you have one pure sample for each note, with no manipulation.

ie pure sub !

nice idea

If aliasing only occurs in the very high frequencies then whys that a problem for subs?. Also why not just create your sub with a synth if your that worried?

auan · Post by **auan** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:22 pm

If your sampler can't transpose a pure sine wave across a couple of octaves without aliasing, you've got a shite sampler.

tremourz · Post by **tremourz** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 2:37 am

Auan wrote:I just generate the A's, so you can be sure of the tuning (55Hz and 110Hz exactly) and let the sampler do the rest. You can be really anal about the exact tuning, for example C2 isn't 65.41, it's 65.4063913251, but your sampler will know the difference.

SAFE!

tremourz · Post by **tremourz** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 2:41 am

ikeaboy wrote:It does seem a little pointless when its easy to find a synth or set up a sampler to do the same thing, without creating a sample for each note. Uneven bass as you move through notes is much more likely to be caused by the acoustics of the room your in.

Synths oscillations aren't as pure as a single eqed frequency band pass with a high Q creating a self oscillating frequency. It's really important to get good full notes that are just sub fundamental.

future one · Post by **future one** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 1:55 pm

Tremourz wrote: Synths oscillations aren't as pure as a single eqed frequency band pass with a high Q creating a self oscillating frequency. It's really important to get good full notes that are just sub fundamental.

What on earth are you talking about?

auan · Post by **auan** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 2:02 pm

Future One wrote:
Tremourz wrote: Synths oscillations aren't as pure as a single eqed frequency band pass with a high Q creating a self oscillating frequency. It's really important to get good full notes that are just sub fundamental.
What on earth are you talking about?

He means synths don't make pure sine waves. Sound Forge does because it uses maths and not oscillators.

djelements · Post by **djelements** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 2:47 pm

Future One wrote:
Tremourz wrote: Synths oscillations aren't as pure as a single eqed frequency band pass with a high Q creating a self oscillating frequency. It's really important to get good full notes that are just sub fundamental.
What on earth are you talking about?

Clown.

decklyn · Post by **decklyn** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 9:56 pm

Auan wrote:
Future One wrote:
Tremourz wrote: Synths oscillations aren't as pure as a single eqed frequency band pass with a high Q creating a self oscillating frequency. It's really important to get good full notes that are just sub fundamental.
What on earth are you talking about?
He means synths don't make pure sine waves. Sound Forge does because it uses maths and not oscillators.

safe. really eh. someone should bump up thier pack here to avoid any unnecessary labour.

apeks · Post by **apeks** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 10:33 pm

decklyn wrote:
safe. really eh. someone should bump up thier pack here to avoid any unnecessary labour.

Yeah this is a good tip Isotone, i did this a while ago as the EXS24 (the sampler I mainly use) is really bad for aliasing, here's the pack I made:

http://download.yousendit.com/1A6C2E9D3A29F02F

Generated the sine waves in Cool Edit, they are 16 bit 44.1khz, all peaking at 0db I think.

If someone has Trilogy and wants to make a 24bit multisample of that minimoog sub patch in return i'd be very grateful...!

whineo · Post by **whineo** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 11:06 pm

Nice 1

wasteman · Post by **wasteman** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 11:30 pm

Auan wrote:
Future One wrote:
Tremourz wrote: Synths oscillations aren't as pure as a single eqed frequency band pass with a high Q creating a self oscillating frequency. It's really important to get good full notes that are just sub fundamental.
What on earth are you talking about?
He means synths don't make pure sine waves. Sound Forge does because it uses maths and not oscillators.

Lol.

This thread is hilarious, I love the pseudo science that gets thrown around.

Does anyone truly believe a sine wave created in a synth like massive is actually inferior?

auan · Post by **auan** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 11:41 pm

decklyn wrote:
Auan wrote:
Future One wrote:
Tremourz wrote: Synths oscillations aren't as pure as a single eqed frequency band pass with a high Q creating a self oscillating frequency. It's really important to get good full notes that are just sub fundamental.
What on earth are you talking about?
He means synths don't make pure sine waves. Sound Forge does because it uses maths and not oscillators.
safe. really eh. someone should bump up thier pack here to avoid any unnecessary labour.

...what?

decklyn · Post by **decklyn** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:29 am

thanks for posting your pack man!i

MARCHMELLOW · Post by **MARCHMELLOW** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 8:39 pm

apeks wrote:
decklyn wrote:
safe. really eh. someone should bump up thier pack here to avoid any unnecessary labour.
Yeah this is a good tip Isotone, i did this a while ago as the EXS24 (the sampler I mainly use) is really bad for aliasing, here's the pack I made:

http://download.yousendit.com/1A6C2E9D3A29F02F

Generated the sine waves in Cool Edit, they are 16 bit 44.1khz, all peaking at 0db I think.

If someone has Trilogy and wants to make a 24bit multisample of that minimoog sub patch in return i'd be very grateful...!

cheers for the pack mate!

tremourz · Post by **tremourz** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 6:35 pm

wasteman wrote:
Auan wrote:
Future One wrote:
Tremourz wrote: Synths oscillations aren't as pure as a single eqed frequency band pass with a high Q creating a self oscillating frequency. It's really important to get good full notes that are just sub fundamental.
What on earth are you talking about?
He means synths don't make pure sine waves. Sound Forge does because it uses maths and not oscillators.
Lol.

This thread is hilarious, I love the pseudo science that gets thrown around.

Does anyone truly believe a sine wave created in a synth like massive is actually inferior?

Not inferior, just not as pure. All depends on what you want to use it for. There's less harmonics in a self-oscillating resonance. At least I've had better results this way.

future one · Post by **future one** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 7:44 pm

djake · Post by **djake** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 11:15 pm

apeks wrote:
decklyn wrote:
safe. really eh. someone should bump up thier pack here to avoid any unnecessary labour.
Yeah this is a good tip Isotone, i did this a while ago as the EXS24 (the sampler I mainly use) is really bad for aliasing, here's the pack I made:

http://download.yousendit.com/1A6C2E9D3A29F02F

Generated the sine waves in Cool Edit, they are 16 bit 44.1khz, all peaking at 0db I think.

If someone has Trilogy and wants to make a 24bit multisample of that minimoog sub patch in return i'd be very grateful...!

safe!!!!

tudniillik · Post by **tudniillik** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 1:46 am

808 kick is self oscillation , too, he is right

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