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wolf analog is shit iirc and vinyl is the way of the past

how do you feel?

explain you emotions?

how much do you hate digital? why do you hate digital? if you could name three things you hate the most in the world what would they be?

You can't snap an MP3 in half and slash someone's face with it.

wub wrote:Analogue is better because peasants can't afford it. Every tnuc with an internet connection downloads Massive and Vengeance sample packs and we wonder why all the shit sounds the same.

i really wanted to do something about this

and the declining value of music within popular music

but cus im doing bcs it has to be more technical

ezza wrote:but cus im doing bcs it has to be more technical

Analogue vs Digital in respect of the 'Loudness War'

For example;

How the Loudness War is crushing Dave Grohl’s analogue ambitions - http://productionadvice.co.uk/how-the-l ... ambitions/
Mastering engineer Bob Katz declares the loudness war as "won" - http://www.reddit.com/comments/1otyer
"digital compression of sound vs analog" war - http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index. ... adID=15808
Vinyl vs CD In The Loudness War - http://www.soundmattersblog.com/vinyl-v ... dness-war/

Oh and bonus ting

http://www.nme.com/news/jack-white/78954

Like the angle where vinyl becomes another type of commodity, but it still sells just on different 'terms', like suddenly turning into a luxury item or whatever in peoples 'minds'.
Because if that is true, it kind of half suggests that the common consumer demands less than previously back when vinyl was more of a 'throw away media' like cds... wait ...mp3s are now.

theres so many ways i can go with this its quite hard to narrow it down

@wub - im really interested in that and ive read a fair bit about it, but it would be quite hard for me to put into practice i reckon

@hub - yeah nice one ill check that. i watched a film called 'It will be loud' or sumut close and he had a pretty cool view on music/sound in general

hubb wrote:Oh and bonus ting

http://www.nme.com/news/jack-white/78954

Like the angle where vinyl becomes another type of commodity, but it still sells just on different 'terms', like suddenly turning into a luxury item or whatever in peoples 'minds'.
Because if that is true, it kind of half suggests that the common consumer demands less than previously back when vinyl was more of a 'throw away media' like cds... wait ...mp3s are now.

The physical will be a luxury, afforded only to the few, the digital will be the ground state of human existence.

I expected more dick pics tbh

I like analog better cos it makes me look cooler

Look in to psychoacoustics for how people supposedly hear sound, then critique it for how people perceive the sound of analogue and digital.

hubb wrote:What wolf said. But if i wanted to borrow an opinion on the subject i'd go for Walter Benjamins..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Work_o ... production

Nice one, didn't know Benjamin wrote on this topic

If my second year mark was 48/100 and my 2nd year is worth 20% what do i need to get in 3rd year to get over 60/100

63.

ezza wrote:If my second year mark was 48/100 and my 2nd year is worth 20% what do i need to get in 3rd year to get over 60/100

About tree fiddy.

Agent, what's your thesis statement?

Analogue is better because it's a real format that can be stored indefinitely in the right conditions.

Digital is great because of the limitless memory and tiny space requirements.

But if all the electricity goes off all we'll have is hand-cranked vinyls to listen to, sheet music to read and collective memory to be able to listen and learn the songs ourselves.

You're about 5 years too late for your paper's argument. Digital is the main driving factor in music these days, from learning, to creating, to producing and distributing.

It just is.

Have some massive help, the sources I used in this essay are great. Just read the intro, skip to the bibliography and google the links in there.

Thank me later

http://taffswellmusic.files.wordpress.c ... ge-gap.pdf

karmacazee wrote:Analogue is better because it's a real format that can be stored indefinitely in the right conditions.

What exactly do you mean by "real" and how isn't it redundant, and fundamentally false, to say that? Wouldn't your point on storage be more accurate if applied to digital formats?

rickyarbino wrote:

karmacazee wrote:Analogue is better because it's a real format that can be stored indefinitely in the right conditions.

What exactly do you mean by "real" and how isn't it redundant, and fundamentally false, to say that? Wouldn't your point on storage be more accurate if applied to digital formats?

The oldest surviving record of humanity's creativity in the world is European cave paintings, preserved by the right conditions in a cave. Egypt's hieroglyphics will be around for as long as it takes for the stones they are carved into to wear down. They are 'real' in the sense that they are physical things that can be preserved.

The noughts and ones on your hard drive will degrade very quickly without electricity.

That's what I mean by real.

Vinyl is a format where the literal peaks and troughs of the musical waveform are carved into plastic, a hardy material, that can be preserved for a very long time. If you really wanted to listen to it in a post electricity world, all you'd have to do is pass a thin needle along the grooves with a paper cone at the end of it.

karmacazee wrote:They are 'real' in the sense that they are physical things that can be preserved.

The noughts and ones on your hard drive will degrade very quickly without electricity.

im not arguing in favor of digital but i dont think this is a good argument.

the pits and bumps carved onto a CD by a laser are physical. the regions of magnetic particles on hard drive platters being flipped are physical. the transistors in a flash memory device are physical. these things are all as real as the grooves on a piece of vinyl

and there's plenty of digital media that will last practically indefinitely without electricity

imo it's not really about whether it's physical or not, its about discrete vs continuous information, about the way that degradation in the respective media affects the sound (eg, bit rate compression vs tape saturation), etc