What do you hate about today's dubstep??

[CreamLord]

:/

[syrup]

Goat stare,

i mean, how can you not

[_Agu_]

I listen everything from "og" dubstep/dnb to tearout dubstep/jumpup dnb/house/hiphop/rock/metal/hardstyle/trance/glitch (hop)/movie soundtracks/ambient/million different fusion/sub genres like electronic rock, minimal house etc. etc. I don't hate anything in today's dubstep, edm trap and bigroom house are for that.

Ofc it doesn't sound that amazing when somebody with less experience/skill tries to make exact copy of something. I don't like hearing an copy of a Skrillex track (nobody hasn't really even nailed it yet), but neither I like hearing somebody put together bunch of real life samples in random order to get a some sort of Burial-esque sound.

[RADD]

Burial puts samples in random order to create his sound?

Would say that about Skrillex tbh, but I guess his technique is so refined nobody knows how to recreate it as you claim

[jrkhnds]

I listen everything from "og" dubstep/dnb to tearout dubstep/jumpup dnb/house/hiphop/rock/metal/hardstyle/trance/glitch (hop)/movie soundtracks/ambient/million different fusion/sub genres like electronic rock, minimal house etc. etc. I don't hate anything in today's dubstep, edm trap and bigroom house are for that.

Ofc it doesn't sound that amazing when somebody with less experience/skill tries to make exact copy of something. I don't like hearing an copy of a Skrillex track (nobody hasn't really even nailed it yet), but neither I like hearing somebody put together bunch of real life samples in random order to get a some sort of Burial-esque sound.

so you don't have any kind of taste? instead you suck it all in, everything, all the time.

[rickyarbino]

Seemed like Agu was more open minded to me.

[nobody]

I listen everything from "og" dubstep/dnb to tearout dubstep/jumpup dnb/house/hiphop/rock/metal/hardstyle/trance/glitch (hop)/movie soundtracks/ambient/million different fusion/sub genres like electronic rock, minimal house etc. etc. I don't hate anything in today's dubstep, edm trap and bigroom house are for that.

Ofc it doesn't sound that amazing when somebody with less experience/skill tries to make exact copy of something. I don't like hearing an copy of a Skrillex track (nobody hasn't really even nailed it yet), but neither I like hearing somebody put together bunch of real life samples in random order to get a some sort of Burial-esque sound.

[Forum]

but neither I like hearing somebody put together bunch of real life samples in random order to get a some sort of Burial-esque sound.

[_Agu_]

Burial puts samples in random order to create his sound?

Would say that about Skrillex tbh, but I guess his technique is so refined nobody knows how to recreate it as you claim

No Burial doesn't put samples in random order to create tunes. It's some of the people who try to copy his sound. Also if you really have listened any Skrillex tune without quitting after 10 seconds, you may notice he doesn't either. Oh hell yes people know how to make growls but it doesn't make them sound Skrillex, same way that layering sliced jungle breaks, vinyl drum hits and 808s etc. don't make you automatically sound like any particular og dubstep artist.

so you don't have any kind of taste? instead you suck it all in, everything, all the time.

I don't hate anything in today's dubstep, edm trap and bigroom house are for that.

These are just a few, there's a lot more, but it's not relevant.

It just seems stupid to me how people say that every brostep artist is a piece of shit wannabe Skrillex. How does using sine wave sub bass (which is already used 9999999999 times by someone) in every one of your tracks differ from that? What about amen break?

[CreamLord]

Using sine wave sub bass =/= copying skrillex tbh

[Ema_geodiV]

Using sine wave sub bass =/= copying skrillex tbh

Well.. isn't it using sine wave as a sub is the usual?

[_Agu_]

Using sine wave sub bass =/= copying skrillex tbh

Well.. isn't it using sine wave as a sub is the usual?

Idk where are we going anymore, but my point was that it's funny how people are selective of when are you copying someone (again using growls/other brosteppish sounds) and when are you not (sine subs, breaks, 808s, all different charasterics of underground dubstep).

[soronery]

it's funny how people are selective of when are you copying someone (again using growls/other brosteppish sounds) and when are you not (sine subs, breaks, 808s, all different charasterics of underground dubstep).

i can only assume you're trolling with this ridiculous comment

using the 808 is copying someone else, absolute rubbish.

i think i know what i hate about todays dubstep now. it's people like agu who try and defend shitty brostep that all sounds the same because the producers are unimaginative sheep.

[rickyarbino]

See that's just it though, the problem Agu is pointing out is that a lot people who don't like that stuff like equally boring music that comes out of the 'deeper' categories within dubstep, as if the fact that it's not got a chainsaw justifies a lack of imagination and excitement in other crucial respect. It doesn't make sense to say you dislike people who sound like skrillex for any reason other than the fact that their music isn't good, can't just say that because it's broey it's shit, so you can't do the opposite and say that something that isn't broey is inherently good.

[soronery]

its like saying that techno producers who use a 909 just copying jeff mills

theyre not theyre just sticking to certain implied conventions about a genre

but if they used the same patch that mills used in the bells that would be blatant copying


likewise if a dubstep producer makes a 'deep' (stupid term imo but that's another discussion) or uses an 808 he isn't copying everyone that used one before. but a quick glance at the sound design sub forum shows the number of producers desperate to copy the zomboy sound (for example)

[rickyarbino]

Yeah, exactly, he's trivializing the notion that music that sounds like skrillex's music is bad because it sounds like skrillex's music and not because it's just bad. Even skrillex uses 909s, but that's not the reason we don't listen to his music, is it?

[Ema_geodiV]

Dubstep like Zomboy's (sorry for Zomboy fans out there) are one of the example. He sample skrillex way too much and regardless of that...his songs sounds almost the same. Also some of those people (Just some soundcloud users I've encountered before) who makes dubstep/brostep with a lot of nonsense wubs and growls. I'm not a professional or something... but I don't think they're aiming for originality any more. They just want to make those "bad ass" growls and put it in their tracks. But this is only my personal opinion.

[rickyarbino]

I think that's partially true, but I think that many people do it in order to out filth each other, which is intentively original imo.

[Ema_geodiV]

I think that's partially true, but I think that many people do it in order to out filth each other, which is intentively original imo.

There is nothing wrong with sampling imo. But the way they emphasize their or somebody else's (famous artist) "growls" and "wubs" is way too much. It's not a song anymore, It's just a track filled with wubs and growls to make something that is "kick-ass".

[rickyarbino]

Well it only fails to be a song if it doesn't have singing , but that's not the issue. I think it's clearer to just say it's shit because you don't like it rather than saying it's shit because it sounds like someone who's better than they are. I mean what if they're copying something you actually like? Doesn't necessarily make it shit, perhaps it's less creative, but you can still like it. I definitely like Noyce even though a bunch of his stuff plays on the same things that Shlohmo did on Bad Vibes, his tunes are still good though so I'll allow it. Who knows who Shlohmo was biting when he put that out...