in my experience, portion sizes were much larger in the US than here, though food is fucking expensive here.
Re: Solve America’s Obesity Problem With Shame
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 5:45 am
by legend4ry
Its that deep psychological thing what needs to be dealt with - in all aspects of the world.
Even people of 2-3 generations ago say stuff like "you're skin and bones, put on some weight" -- err actually, I am barely in the "on point" section in the BMI scale, I need to lose weight.
Have that piled ontop of the less-modern thinking places in America (bible belt vibes) where being over the top is celebrated then you've got a portion of society that...
A) Doesn't feel its a problem and think 'this is 'murcia I can be fat if I want to'
B) The ones who don't want to be like that get ridiculed.
I have had an internet pal for around 12 years whos from the deep, deep south and tells me about all kinds of shit what is literally the opposite of what the reality is, its a weird place.
Now I ain't southern-bashing or even hating on society across the pond but finger pointing and treating differently isn't any different from racism is it not? I know people CAN help being fat unlike being part of a race but still...
The bigger question is : we know how to solve it - make people realise that its not nothing to be proud of but how do you do that when its so sunk into a culture?
I mean, isn't Mexico the fattest place in the world now? They're a society all about showing off and excess too..
Re: Solve America’s Obesity Problem With Shame
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 5:49 am
by nousd
to me, it's the same as muscle men
eating all that food when other peebs is starving.
You got the cash to gorge on shit,
how 'bout givin' it to the malnourished...greedy bastards.
When I get out of this bed,
I'll set an example.
Ah, here comes the crane.
Re: Solve America’s Obesity Problem With Shame
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 5:50 am
by rickyarbino
Just wanted to say that I think the issue with racism is that there's no decision that anyone can make which leads to them having a particular skin colour (I can't believe I just spelled that without the 'u'). Whereas (excluding thyroid problems, force-feeding and things of the like) being fat is a direct consequence of an individual's decisions, which means that only they can be held accountable for it.
Re: Solve America’s Obesity Problem With Shame
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 5:52 am
by nousd
classy u
Re: Solve America’s Obesity Problem With Shame
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 5:53 am
by legend4ry
nousd wrote:to me, it's the same as muscle men
eating all that food when other peebs is starving.
You got the cash to gorge on shit,
how 'bout givin' it to the malnourished...greedy bastards.
When I get out of this bed,
I'll set an example.
Ah, here comes the crane.
lol you say that.
Got one of those muscle men at work.
Geeza has 4 lunches a day. one a 11, one at 1, one at 3 and starts munching while getting ready to leave at 5ish.
I just simply stated to him. If you didn't burn all that off in the gym you'd be a right fat fuck wouldn't you?
He got angry and said "you just don't get it man"
What, what you eat in a day what my whole house of 3 people eats in 2?
'llow ittttttt
rickyarbino wrote:Just wanted to say that I think the issue with racism is that there's no decision that anyone can make which leads to them having a particular skin colour (I can't believe I just spelled that without the 'u'). Whereas (excluding thyroid problems, force-feeding and things of the like) being fat is a direct consequence of an individual's decisions, which means that only they can be held accountable for it.
coming off that article I just meant like seperated lines/entrances and shit?
Seemed a bit extreme.
I do agree don't cater for their self inflicted problem.
I don't have a solution 'part from lose those titties fatty.
Re: Solve America’s Obesity Problem With Shame
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 6:00 am
by rickyarbino
Didn't read the article tbf, never really spend much time looking into what terpit posts in the fat-hating threads lol
Re: Solve America’s Obesity Problem With Shame
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 6:09 am
by deadly_habit
_Agu_ wrote:Isn't "food" also bigger in States? I saw a movie called "Supersize Me" (documentary about some guy trying to live a month by only eating McDonald's food everyday and ending up into hospital) few years ago, and I remember seeing bigger burgers and french fries-boxes than what I've ever seen over here In northern Europe.
Loads of fast food places lost their supersize or king size stuff post that along with trans fats. Something about people not being able to take personal responsibility for their own choices and obesity or something.
Also when it comes to western europe the UK is pretty much just as bad as the US.
The root of the problem honestly is fast food/shitty calories tend to be cheap and need no preparation for meals.
also:
Re: Solve America’s Obesity Problem With Shame
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:10 pm
by nobody
rickyarbino wrote:Didn't read the article tbf, never really spend much time looking into what terpit posts in the fat-hating threads lol
You should read this one, it's hard not to agree with everything said.
Turn them into soap.
Re: Solve America’s Obesity Problem With Shame
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:15 pm
by particle-jim
legend4ry wrote:I mean, isn't Mexico the fattest place in the world now? They're a society all about showing off and excess too..
I think the main reason for that is quite simply that the food here is absolutely fucking amazing, on a level, Mexican home cooking is the peng-a-leng-a-leng
Mexico isn't so much about showing off and excess though tbh, most people prefer not to draw attention to themselves so you're less likely to see vulgar, ostentatious displays of wealth from most sections of society, if you show off a lot then people will tend to assume you must be involved in the drug trade (and you do get a few people who like to project that image even if they aren't cartel members as they think it makes them look cool and powerful... but most people think they're just twats)
that doesn't apply to special occasions though, stuff like birthdays or indeed weddings (as I'm discovering) tend to be a very big deal and people really do like to party here, but in the day to day life it's less showy
Re: Solve America’s Obesity Problem With Shame
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:17 pm
by nobody
particle-jim wrote:
legend4ry wrote:I mean, isn't Mexico the fattest place in the world now? They're a society all about showing off and excess too..
I think the main reason for that is quite simply that the food here is absolutely fucking amazing, on a level, Mexican home cooking is the peng-a-leng-a-leng
Mexico isn't so much about showing off and excess though tbh, most people prefer not to draw attention to themselves so you're less likely to see vulgar, ostentatious displays of wealth from most sections of society, if you show off a lot then people will tend to assume you must be involved in the drug trade (and you do get a few people who like to project that image even if they aren't cartel members as they think it makes them look cool and powerful... but most people think they're just twats)
that doesn't apply to special occasions though, stuff like birthdays or indeed weddings (as I'm discovering) tend to be a very big deal and people really do like to party here, but in the day to day life it's less showy
Are you there yet? Please tell me you have a pair of Mexican pointy boots
Re: Solve America’s Obesity Problem With Shame
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:18 pm
by OGLemon
particle-jim wrote:peng-a-leng-a-leng
Re: Solve America’s Obesity Problem With Shame
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:23 pm
by particle-jim
yes I've been here for about 2 weeks now and no I don't have a pair of pointy boots, I haven't even seen any, I think that's more popular in central Mexico, up here in the north the Vaquero style is king: plaid shirts, blue jeans, cowboy boots, stetson hats and pickup trucks
Blending in with the locals
Re: Solve America’s Obesity Problem With Shame
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:46 pm
by jrkhnds
Beefmaster if I've ever seen one.
Re: Solve America’s Obesity Problem With Shame
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 10:02 pm
by legend4ry
Disappointed you don't have pointy boots.
Re: Solve America’s Obesity Problem With Shame
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 10:46 pm
by nousd
nor pointy head
hey jim, you a cattleman or something?
some good lookin' steers behind you there.
Re: Solve America’s Obesity Problem With Shame
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 11:41 pm
by bigfootspartan
Hmm just a perspective from over here in Canada. We have obesity rates that are also rising, we aren't as bad as the states yet but it's getting there.
If shaming worked, everyone would be skinny up here. There isn't a "bigger is better" attitude up here and yet people are still large.
In clinic I find one of the hardest things is that peoples perspective is skewed. If a patient is overweight (BMI 25-30) and I bring it up, more often than not they will get angry if I even discuss their weight. Most folks who are obese class I (BMI 30-35) think they are "a bit overweight."
This is even harder with kids. There's pretty good research demonstrating epigenetic loading of kids who are overweight when they are young. Parents expect their kids are going to "stretch out" and typically get very, very upset whenever weight is brought up (especially in girls). If you look at the WHO BMI curve there are points where a healthy BMI is 14-16, however when a kid looks like a BMI 14-16 they seem "scrawny" when compared to other kids.
The other issue is motivation. In most cases if calories in < calories out they will loose weight. Recently I spent an extra 15 minutes with someone, making clinic even later than it was already, because I thought they really wanted to loose weight. We discussed calorie tracking and strategies to increase satiety without increasing calorie intake. When I saw her for something else in the ER later and asked how her tracking was she said "I tried it for a few days but I don't have time to write down everything I eat. I guess I'm just one of those people that will always be big."
Dr. Sharma of Edmonton has a unique perspective that I tend to agree with. The only real intervention that has lasting effects on weight loss is bariatric surgery. The reason being is that everyone pretty much knows what they need to do, they simply don't have the motivation to achieve it. If someone restricted themselves to 1200 kcal a day they would guaranteed reach their weight loss goals. But most people won't, therefore, bariatric surgery.
Re: Solve America’s Obesity Problem With Shame
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 12:16 am
by bigfootspartan
Oh neat actually just re-checked Dr. Sharma's blog, gunna grab some tea and hunker down.
Careful grooming of a beard (an actual beard, not soul patches or those bullshit pencil-thin Jersey Shorelines) not only creates the illusion of a jaw, but also lends a sense of masculinity to a blotched, swollen face which, frankly, belongs on a pregnant alcoholic. Ladies, unhappy you can't beard up like your pudgy brothers? You can achieve similar effects by using subtle shadings of blusher and foundation to draw on a chin somewhere in that pile of flesh that goes from your shoulders to your lips.
yeah cause fuck actually losing weight
LOSING WEIGHT
This is the end to all your worries and the beginning of you being a smug douche, forever. Do you want to take that risk?
