Mosh Pits@Dubwar

robbiej · Post by **robbiej** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:05 am

Is moshing just dancing for the rhythmically challenged, or the uncreative? its not like it takes any kind if talent or rhythm. I kinda feel like moshing is quite a poor way of expressing oneself in a 'dance'.

where my money · Post by **where my money** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:18 am

Is moshing just dancing for the rhythmically challenged, or the uncreative? its not like it takes any kind if talent or rhythm. I kinda feel like moshing is quite a poor way of expressing oneself in a 'dance'.

well as a person who was very much involved in that lifestyle for a period in my life, i could agree with you and disagree with you.

yes sometimes it seems like utter chaos but if you think of it the music that is playin is chaos aswell.

and i have seen some extremely talented moshers.. im talkin guys that do aerials, front flips and back flips, to this shit... and occasionally a group of two or more people that have a "mosh" that is perfectly in sync... when you see shit like this with your ownn eyes it mos def will change you prespective.

and to play devils advocate.. dubsteppers aint much of dancers either...i have yet to see someone in a dub show do a flip.

truekimbo2 · Post by **truekimbo2** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:19 am

i like the closeness of it.

at most parties people keep their ego barriers and personal space mental missle defense systems up (despite the grins on their face).

its hard not to feel your connection to your fellows when you're all physically connected, they physically move you and your physically move them.

robbiej · Post by **robbiej** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:39 am

where my money wrote:
Is moshing just dancing for the rhythmically challenged, or the uncreative? its not like it takes any kind if talent or rhythm. I kinda feel like moshing is quite a poor way of expressing oneself in a 'dance'.
well as a person who was very much involved in that lifestyle for a period in my life, i could agree with you and disagree with you.

yes sometimes it seems like utter chaos but if you think of it the music that is playin is chaos aswell.

and i have seen some extremely talented moshers.. im talkin guys that do aerials, front flips and back flips, to this shit... and occasionally a group of two or more people that have a "mosh" that is perfectly in sync... when you see shit like this with your ownn eyes it mos def will change you prespective.

and to play devils advocate.. dubsteppers aint much of dancers either...i have yet to see someone in a dub show do a flip.

dubstep music is not chaotic. in fact it is highly structured. Intense, loud, Aggro but not chaotic if i saw some guy doing flips and aerials ina mosh pit. i would be open to reconsider my statment. If i could do flips and aerials on a dancelfooor, i dont think id want people just to say i was 'moshing' seems like it deserves a better title than that. Moshing is just banging into people and jumping up and down isnt it?

chu · Post by **chu** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:44 am

truekimbo2 wrote: its hard not to feel your connection to your fellows when you're all physically connected, they physically move you and your physically move them.

Two things,

a) it's not really a connection if the people you're 'physically connect[ing]' to don't want it, I'm not saying don't mosh, just check yourself, but maybe that defeats the purpose of moshing in the first place...

b) It's all about the eyes closed, head down, one leg out garage wobble (aka the infamous 'raving leg'), or, flailing arms double time military strutskanksy.

IMHO

where my money · Post by **where my money** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:23 am

man i seriously typed out the longest fuckin response to this shit and then my comp decided to take a crapper on me just as i was finsihing... fuck im not gunna typee it out again but the jist of it was...

robbiej
dun mean to cause a mash, but yes metalheads do flips and shit. and if i could i would flip everytime i was at a dub concert i would...

Moshing is just banging into people and jumping up and down isnt it?

NO... the answer is no... hit up HELLFEST in New York.. that shit aint just a bunch of knobs bangin into eachother.. some of these guys are trrained martial arts and pull some crazy shit... its more of a violent tango

robbiej · Post by **robbiej** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:24 am

where my money wrote: man i seriously typed out the longest fuckin response to this shit and then my comp decided to take a crapper on me just as i was finsihing... fuck im not gunna typee it out again but the jist of it was...

robbiej
dun mean to cause a mash, but yes metalheads do flips and shit. and if i could i would flip everytime i was at a dub concert i would...

Moshing is just banging into people and jumping up and down isnt it?
NO... the answer is no... hit up HELLFEST in New York.. that shit aint just a bunch of knobs bangin into eachother.. some of these guys are trrained martial arts and pull some crazy shit... its more of a violent tango

thats cool man, i dont disagree...i just have always associated moshing with my previous statments...im just sayin that those guys need a better name than moshing for what they do so ignorant people like me can know the difference betweeen:

some of these guys are trrained martial arts and pull some crazy shit... its more of a violent tango

and

a bunch of knobs bangin into eachother.

unfortunately i only seem to find the latter, but ill take your word that the former is for real too.

nomorecomastep · Post by **nomorecomastep** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:50 am

Wall of Death at the Next Dub War

joenicedj · Post by **joenicedj** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:47 am

Let me jump in -- I'm partially to blame for this phenomenon.

Who remembers when i dropped those two Distance tunes back to back @ the DMZ show? Might have been 20 moshers in the "pit".

Personally, i have no issue with moshpits at all. If the music makes you jump in a circle with a bunch of other dudes, cool. I can't say that it's much different than if you're skanking hard or if you're nodding your head. If that's what the music makes you do -- right on.

Now -- i don't want to see someone leaving Dubwar with a split lip or black eye. That kills the vibe -- but if the music is taking control and you feel like "moshing" -- more power to you.

just be careful -- please !

and -- if i'm playing and i decide to join a mosh pit because that's what the music tells me to do....please don't step on my feet....i won't be wearing shoes.

nomorecomastep · Post by **nomorecomastep** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:27 am

I understand where Plague is coming from, and I'll watch the elbows from now on. Likewise, if someone sees the crowd start to move, pay attention. That could go for moshers and skankers alike.

dom · Post by **dom** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:46 am

from notting hill lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFb8AVAtH-I

blk plague · Post by **blk plague** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:58 am

human? wrote:kinda dig skanking in my zone, or grooving with a female

i say, guys, try and make the ladies feel more comfortable, yall enthusiasm is great, but in the dance its goddess time imho...

one
human?

seen blood. seen!

t-mus · Post by **t-mus** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:33 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUp6M007h5g
mala playing spongebob for a crowd of 700 in amsterdam 2 weeks ago (biggest crowd for dubstep in holland so far)

after 4 rewinds, the first ones were caused because of the jumping needle caused by the jumping mass

perkalerk215 · Post by **perkalerk215** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:54 pm

im jumpin in here....excited this topic came up...have a lot to say...

1) its not dudes jumping with other sweaty dudes. grow up...its dancing...and also let me clear up that i am a chick. a lady. a female...and im in there just as much if not more than most of the dudes...girls dont always have to stand there and look pretty..if you feel the music, move...with that said....

2) id also like to clear up and own up to skanking pretty damn hard. even throwing my arms around violently, but respectfully, and yes..what some would call as "moshing"...i come from a hardcore background so for me hearing this evil mean heavy bass and the energy of it all, i will tend to end up dancing a little crazier than most.

3)im sorry if anyone has been hit or bumped into or a drink spilled or whatever due to anyone dancing a little heavier...i have never seen anyone doing anything violent to anyone. its dancing. come on. theres usually one area they call the "pit"....so just avoid that center middle circle and youre all good. you just gotta keep your eyes open. sorry people get a little wound up when INSANE tunes drop...we get excited.

4)i think any time i bashed into anyone at dubwar, i turned around or looked over at the person with a huge smile on my face to apologize and make sure theyre ok...and they always reply with a huge smile saying "no problem..."...so id assume people arent running home to cry about how they got bumped in the side by this crazy mosher at dubwar....

5) this is only my opinion. i cant take blame for anyone else. and imnot sure if there are some that would jump in and be a dick about how theyre dancing. i thinkits only fair to give the crazy dancers their space and know where to stand....and likewise for the crazy dancers to respect the outskirts of this "pit" and keep it all in a certain area and try not to violently slam into anyone to hurt them...

end of story. im sorry if anyone hates when theres people "moshing" if you must call it that...but sometimes i feel like i hate when theres just a crowd standing hardly even nodding their heads to a heavy tune...

ill make sure i look out for people still if you watch out then for the tunes that make people lose their minds....were all just there for a good time..

tomre · Post by **tomre** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:07 pm

perkalerk215 wrote: when INSANE tunes drop...we get excited.

Yesss and everybody does that on his own manner and I think, without even being there, this is respected at Dub War. Keep it that way.
The more I read over Dub War the more I want to visit it and meet you people.
It's all about respect for the music and respect for the people down there.

t-mus · Post by **t-mus** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:26 pm

T-mus wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUp6M007h5g
mala playing spongebob for a crowd of 700 in amsterdam 2 weeks ago (biggest crowd for dubstep in holland so far)

after 4 rewinds, the first ones were caused because of the jumping needle caused by the jumping mass

here another vid from the same night you can hear the auto wheel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98et-exXci0

Sharmaji · Post by **Sharmaji** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:00 pm

The great thing about dubwar is that there's space for everyone to react to the music in the way he/she wants to... i've seen some crazy-ass skankin's going on there and it's one of the things that keeps me passionate about this music, that people have such a physical, and deep, reaction to it.

w/ that said, yeah-- love is 21 up and we should do a bit of self-policing here. The great thing about moshing (also from a hardcore background) is that you can just go completely crazy, and it's generally ok because it's all love-- 95% of the people there are there just to wild out, just like you.

it's that 5% of skinheads, amped-up fratboys and other ne'er-do-wells that was always the problem at hardcore shows.

I'd say that, pretty much, 100% of the folks who come out to dubwar are out to have a great time and not bash people's heads in. i know when i'm skankin' at 3am, i've got no problem having a random elbow or whatever jab into me. gettin' pushed or kicked, though-- not ideal but life goes on. i can't imagine that the hyper-macho thing will overtake the rest of the dance.

if it does-- who do we nominate to de the Ian MacKaye of dubstep?

dubzy · Post by **dubzy** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:25 pm

hate moshpits, will always hate moshpits, will start doin TKO on peeps soon

frodo · Post by **frodo** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:31 pm

I've witnessed moshpits at FWD. Not my cuppa.

perkalerk215 · Post by **perkalerk215** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:40 pm

TeReKeTe wrote:The great thing about dubwar is that there's space for everyone to react to the music in the way he/she wants to... i've seen some crazy-ass skankin's going on there and it's one of the things that keeps me passionate about this music, that people have such a physical, and deep, reaction to it.

w/ that said, yeah-- love is 21 up and we should do a bit of self-policing here. The great thing about moshing (also from a hardcore background) is that you can just go completely crazy, and it's generally ok because it's all love-- 95% of the people there are there just to wild out, just like you.

it's that 5% of skinheads, amped-up fratboys and other ne'er-do-wells that was always the problem at hardcore shows.

I'd say that, pretty much, 100% of the folks who come out to dubwar are out to have a great time and not bash people's heads in. i know when i'm skankin' at 3am, i've got no problem having a random elbow or whatever jab into me. gettin' pushed or kicked, though-- not ideal but life goes on. i can't imagine that the hyper-macho thing will overtake the rest of the dance.

if it does-- who do we nominate to de the Ian MacKaye of dubstep?

cheers...i said something similar in the other thread about k and moshpits......start knockin people out because they get a little crazier with the windmill or skankin super hard or anything...or bump into you...and youre just as bad as those skinheads at old hardcore shows. or the big mean dudes who only went to start fights. i dont wanna see dubstep end up like that. and its also the location. i dont see moshing or heavy skanking at smaller venues or anything.

basicaly. dont tell people how to react to music. thats whats so great about this genre is that theres no main dress code or hairstyle or type of person. or way to dance...you get to make it all up yourself...and the people with problems with any of it have nothing better to do with their time in my opinion...ive never looked over my shoulder or to my right and saw someone dancing and made fun of them...or talked shit on them because they lost balance and fell back into me....its all in fun. were all there for the same reason. like everywhere else. if youre a mellow dancer or person..you know there are areas where you can do your own thing with no worry of these mean stupid "moshers" you all talk about...

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