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Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 7:41 pm
by ashes57
Shepard is not ripping off other artist works and hope that people won't notice. That would be very silly especially at his level. He use parts of images and to transcribe is own message. In this way it is not a plagotirism. Would you be one of those people who don't consider already made art an art.
It becomes so easy to criticize artists when they become famous, especially when you don't know they background and/or forget where they come from. Shepard said 10 years ago that is goal was to be every where is the world and HAVE $$$. Every corner you go in New york city you will find a Obey stickers/stencil/poster. You can find an obey sticker in pretty much all the major city in North America and the world. What are got to say about it.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ashes_57/s ... 931182076/
Well on my site has a section too,
http://www.ashes57.com/
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Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 7:49 pm
by ashes57
Sorry my internet dropped.
Shepard is not ripping off other artist works and hope that people won't notice. That would be very silly especially at his level. He use parts of images and to transcribe is own message. In this way it is not a plagotirism. Would you be one of those people who don't consider already made art an art.
It becomes so easy to criticize artists when they become famous, especially when you don't know they background and/or forget where they come from. Shepard said 10 years ago that is goal was to be every where is the world and HAVE $$$. Every corner you go in New york city you will find a Obey stickers/stencil/poster. You can find an obey sticker in pretty much all the major city in North America and the world. What are got to say about it.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ashes_57/s ... 931182076/
well and my site has a special section
http://www.ashes57.com
Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:01 pm
by jim
ashes57 wrote:What are got to say about it.
Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:13 pm
by showguns
jim wrote:ashes57 wrote:What are got to say about it.
Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:22 pm
by FSTZ
ashes57 wrote:plagotirism
Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:43 pm
by whineo
I really cant make up my mind on Shepard.
Andre the giants face does not reawaken my sense of wonder about my surrounding environment.
Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:52 pm
by dust shop
"ransacking leftist imagery is hardly something fairey has ever had a monopoly on to be honest" -> damn right.
since warhol leftist imagery & subversion has always been another way to do marketing. capitalism is a hungry black whole.
Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:52 pm
by dust shop
i still like what shepard fairey do anyway
Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:53 pm
by FSTZ
unklefesta wrote:ashes57 wrote:plagotirism
Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:40 pm
by ashes57
OOPS There is no plagiarism TO MY OPINION.
Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:42 pm
by jim
Is english your first language?
Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:42 pm
by jim
I really hope not.
Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:50 pm
by FSTZ
ashes57 wrote:OOPS There is no plagiarism TO MY OPINION.
safe bro, I was just doin' my thing!
feel free to make fun of my typos anytime
Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:56 pm
by ashes57
No sorry, I am french! Don't be too hard on me.
Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:06 pm
by jim
Ah, sorry, fair enough if it's not your first language, my spanish is a riot!
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:27 am
by solee
he's shit
it's pretty simple. you make a sticker and place it all over town to make people think "hey, what the hell is this dumb sticker and what product is it trying to sell me" but it led to no product so it's now supposed to make you realize that you're so conditioned to advertising that you just had to figure out what that sticker meant cuz it coulda been this cool thing that you're missing out on.
fast forward a few years and well...it leads to a product. a bunch of them actually. made in china
i've always been more of a fan of his old partner Dave Kinsey. Now he is a badman
http://kinseyvisual.com
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:36 am
by seckle
why is andy warhol off the hook because it's not political?
^ those are both warhol pieces. the mobilgas one is in a museum. they're also both registered trademark's of corporations. andy simply painted over them and called it art. so andy is put on a pedestal for basically violating trademarks, but sheppard get's gunned down for redoing classic propagandist/leftist pieces?
sorry, i don't understand that. that makes absolutely no sense.
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:48 am
by seckle
ashes57 wrote:Sorry my internet dropped.
Shepard is not ripping off other artist works and hope that people won't notice. That would be very silly especially at his level. He use parts of images and to transcribe is own message. In this way it is not a plagotirism. Would you be one of those people who don't consider already made art an art.
It becomes so easy to criticize artists when they become famous, especially when you don't know they background and/or forget where they come from. Shepard said 10 years ago that is goal was to be every where is the world and HAVE $$$. Every corner you go in New york city you will find a Obey stickers/stencil/poster. You can find an obey sticker in pretty much all the major city in North America and the world. What are got to say about it.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ashes_57/s ... 931182076/
well and my site has a special section
http://www.ashes57.com
i agree, and i also think that people traditionally like to tear down artists that hold their ground on a simple foundation and build it on towards an empire, that someone like sheppard has done. they make easy targets in graffitti culture especially because of the whole starving artist stigma. you know, stay underground, and stay starving and all that bullshit.
sorry but this is 2008, and the starving artist purist thing is from 50 years ago. it costs money to be creative, so if someone wants to make money , let them.
futura 2000 took huge amounts of flack for doing clothing and toys from all the graf purists that viewed it as selling out. it was the most ridiculous hypocritical bullshit i've read. money is not the problem, it's just people perceptions.
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:30 am
by FSTZ
seckle wrote:futura 2000 took huge amounts of flack for doing clothing and toys from all the graf purists that viewed it as selling out.
now he's the badman
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:45 am
by nesslei
really i think to me it comes down to the fact that all art in whatever shape or form is incredibly subjective, from the perspectives of both the artist and interpreter. beauty, meaning, and associated value, are all in the eye of the beholder.
and really, let's ask ourselves: why is it wrong to profit from art, something you may be inherently talented at, when it is arguably acceptable for someone like me to make a living working for a corporate? is it because of the stigma attached to being an artist, or because i am blatantly going down the corporate route and therefore perhaps already a lost cause?