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Definitely agree on 'brood' but more so 'the knowledge' and 'like sun' than 'take it personal' IMHO.

Blackdown absolutely nailed it, imo Horror Show and Haunted are definitely the ones in the time i've been around

Shonky wrote:

Corpsey wrote:One tune which seemed not to have much influence on other producers at all was Anti War Dub... correct me if I'm wrong though. I just haven't heard many other tunes that have got such a strong house influence in them since... then again most of Mala's tunes have that influence.

Yeah, I think house was way more of an influence on the pre-2003 stuff, Mala seems to be one of the few keeping on that tip at the moment. Real shame to be honest, would be a good contrast to the current sounds.

Anti-Social and D1 are definitely on a deep house tip though. Benga also. i reckon loads of dubstep has got the influence of rawer styles of house in there too, whether they know it or not. but i agree, lets hear more! this means you Shonky!

Where does Wookie fall within all this? That boy was rocking the wobble moog basslines back in 1998.

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smudge wrote:Where does Wookie fall within all this? That boy was rocking the wobble moog basslines back in 1998.

very true, oneman is always saying this and i agree, i think you can hear Wookie so much in early Skream and Benga

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elgato wrote:

smudge wrote:Where does Wookie fall within all this? That boy was rocking the wobble moog basslines back in 1998.

very true, oneman is always saying this and i agree, i think you can hear Wookie so much in early Skream and Benga

totally agree. been listenin to wookie a lot recently. some of sticky's stuff (ie sleng) should maybe be mentioned in here too..

mr. oizo - flatbeat and danny breaks - the octopuss......

Elementalism wrote:Night, Spongebob, Midnight Request Line, Anti-War Dub, Left Leg Out, Officer Dub, Cockney Thug, Japan, Sensi Dub, Unite, Colourful (I know BARE people who got into dubstep after hearing it on Skins), Not Over Yet Skreamix...

that about sums it up...
d sensi dub, hautned & spongebob are still some of my favourite all time tunes.

Dubstep_warrior wrote:

Elementalism wrote:Night, Spongebob, Midnight Request Line, Anti-War Dub, Left Leg Out, Officer Dub, Cockney Thug, Japan, Sensi Dub, Unite, Colourful (I know BARE people who got into dubstep after hearing it on Skins), Not Over Yet Skreamix...

that about sums it up...
d sensi dub, hautned & spongebob are still some of my favourite all time tunes.

Still? Spongebob came out in October!

jim wrote:

Dubstep_warrior wrote:

Elementalism wrote:Night, Spongebob, Midnight Request Line, Anti-War Dub, Left Leg Out, Officer Dub, Cockney Thug, Japan, Sensi Dub, Unite, Colourful (I know BARE people who got into dubstep after hearing it on Skins), Not Over Yet Skreamix...

that about sums it up...
d sensi dub, hautned & spongebob are still some of my favourite all time tunes.

Still? Spongebob came out in October!

Always. forever and ever.
Le classic wobble.

i think people need to be careful not to confuse 'influential' with 'big', esp in terms of the order when they came out. tunes that came with a given idea first should be given the credit.

for example 'blipstream' was big but 'request line' came before it, so i'd definitely nominate 'request line' as being more influential because it came out earlier. you can still hear the arpeggio influence now, check Flowdan's amazing "Nightlife".

most of el-b's stuff was influential because so many people (myself, kode9, skream, benga...) were inspired by it to begin with.

Wookie i hear less influence taken, because his raw, crashing drum-break sound didnt really get used so much later. early skream and benga stuff was really clipped, percussion wise. "Red" seemed to have a far larger influence on their early sound.

Blackdown wrote:i think people need to be careful not to confuse 'influential' with 'big', esp in terms of the order when they came out. tunes that came with a given idea first should be given the credit.

for example 'blipstream' was big but 'request line' came before it, so i'd definitely nominate 'request line' as being more influential because it came out earlier. you can still hear the arpeggio influence now, check Flowdan's amazing "Nightlife".

most of el-b's stuff was influential because so many people (myself, kode9, skream, benga...) were inspired by it to begin with.

Wookie i hear less influence taken, because his raw, crashing drum-break sound didnt really get used so much later. early skream and benga stuff was really clipped, percussion wise. "Red" seemed to have a far larger influence on their early sound.

Yeah I agree with regards to the drum sound. I was thinking more the bassline which is as important as the drums in dubstep.

I find it hard to talk about older tunes being influential because I came in in about may 2006 so not sure which tunes were establishing ideas or just continuing them

Sensi Dub I suppose was quite influential- was it the first of those reggae/dancehall vocal over wobbly tunes? Burnin' maybe?

A lot of the tunes kode was playing at FWD the other week sounded a bit like bury the boy to me- those propulsive thundering drums and almost submerged bassline... but again, maybe that's just a general techno influence?

Blackdown wrote:Wookie i hear less influence taken, because his raw, crashing drum-break sound didnt really get used so much later. early skream and benga stuff was really clipped, percussion wise. "Red" seemed to have a far larger influence on their early sound.

I dunno, in stuff like Down On Me, Storm / Stargate, Don't Mess With My Man and the Attica Blues Remixes i think percussion wise there's a lot in common with what they went on to do. But most of all in terms of the general vibe... a phrase that has always stuck with me describing the Big Apple / Hatcha sound is 'tribal garage', and i can think of no greater precedent for that than Wookie / Exemen

But as is said above, I'm not to know whether its coincidence or influence

Corpsey wrote:I find it hard to talk about older tunes being influential because I came in in about may 2006 so not sure which tunes were establishing ideas or just continuing them

Sensi Dub I suppose was quite influential- was it the first of those reggae/dancehall vocal over wobbly tunes? Burnin' maybe?

A lot of the tunes kode was playing at FWD the other week sounded a bit like bury the boy to me- those propulsive thundering drums and almost submerged bassline... but again, maybe that's just a general techno influence?

That is more a general techno influence but Bury the Boy definitley opened the door for that I think.

Blackdown wrote:i think people need to be careful not to confuse 'influential' with 'big', esp in terms of the order when they came out. tunes that came with a given idea first should be given the credit.

for example 'blipstream' was big but 'request line' came before it, so i'd definitely nominate 'request line' as being more influential

Wasn't suggesting it was bigger or more influential.
But Blipstream had an undeniable influence at a
later point in time (for better or worse) on a huge
amount of tunes that followed ie: half-step wobble.

But if we're talking landmark tunes. Then it's Request Line every time.

more recently, Dad clue kirk "the legacy" changed a few things.

elgato wrote:But most of all in terms of the general vibe... a phrase that has always stuck with me describing the Big Apple / Hatcha sound is 'tribal garage', and i can think of no greater precedent for that than Wookie / Exemen

yeah but Zed Bias too. he was the master of the rolling percussion tracks. Daluq and all that.

the interesting thing is, while Skream talks about how much he loved Zed's sound, esp Madslinky, people like Mala - who have a percussive sound - talk about working in isolation from the early FWD>> stuff.

Blackdown wrote: the interesting thing is, while Skream talks about how much he loved Zed's sound, people like [color=red]Mala[/color] - who have a percussive sound - talk about working in isolation from the early FWD>> stuff.

I remember reading that.
Didn't he call his early stuff broken dub house?
No mention of garage at all.