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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 5:35 pm
by manray
ye duh.
Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 5:46 pm
by dnt
manray wrote:Key mixing is gay as fuck. This website is gay as fuck. Just look at the rainbow fucking wheel you need to mix. (watch the youtube video was some more gay music in the background) WHAT THE HELL IS WITH THAT WOMAN DANCING SO STRANGELY. KILL ME NOW I NEED NOT TO BE SEEING THIS CRAP AT 9:40 IN THE MORNING.
And I sir, would never listen to you mix a beat in your life then.
Mixing in key is gay as fuck? Do you have any concept of music and why you mix in key? So it doesnt sound "gay as fuck". It keeps flow, it helps build, drive and keep tension.
I dont think i've ever heard or will ever hear a sane, skilled or confident DJ say mixing in key is "gay as fuck".
edit: Reading more posts, it seems some of you dont even know what mixing in key entails or its benefits.... based on comments. We should let robots DJ for us now? Can you identify the key of a song? If you answer "Why would I care".. Then I suggest more music theory and a bit more playing out on your decks.
Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:08 pm
by two oh one
dnt wrote:I deleted my comment.. I got to into it. The crap I just read on this forum. I seriously hope some of you were being sarcastic.
Just pathetic. My ears may bleed from back to back to back to back out of wack, out of key, flat to sharp to flat mixes... Hoooray for crap... Might as well let itunes mix it for you.
You shouldn't have deleted it, because you were dead on. Shame.
Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:12 pm
by dnt
Well fuck support to speak my mind is always good.. ask and you shall receive Two!
To answer the original post though. Ive used it, unfortunately I found it wasnt as accurate as they tried to claim. I found myself manually correcting (by listening) some of the pitches it identified. On the whole though it was a solid program and I think it really helped train my ear for key changes in tunes (Not that many new producers use or even fathom such a idea).
Im not sure if youve heard of MixShare by RapidEvolution, its a freeware Java app that detects all those things and just as well as MixinKey, just without the endorsements of course.
Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:37 pm
by two oh one
dnt wrote:Well fuck support to speak my mind is always good.. ask and you shall receive Two!
To answer the original post though. Ive used it, unfortunately I found it wasnt as accurate as they tried to claim. I found myself manually correcting (by listening) some of the pitches it identified. On the whole though it was a solid program and I think it really helped train my ear for key changes in tunes (Not that many new producers use or even fathom such a idea).
Im not sure if youve heard of MixShare by RapidEvolution, its a freeware Java app that detects all those things and just as well as MixinKey, just without the endorsements of course.
Thanks for editing back, bro. I'm just glad for a sensible answer, rather than some of these that smell somewhat defensive.
That's the thing, fella. Like you say, some producers don't bother using the same key between their parts, let alone DJs mixing tracks of the same key together. We have basslines in one key, synths in another, vocal stabs in another key, times that by two and we have 6 keys going at once sometimes. It's a bit much and all the side stepping, ignorant 'doesn't matter, yeah' talk in the world isn't going to make it any better.
But, also, I mean, it sometimes doesn't matter. I've heard great clusterfucks of random keys that sound wonderful and really boring sterile mixes that were all in key. Both can work.
It's fine abandoning the 'rules' of music, but surely knowing them in the first place and then knowing why you're abandoning them is surely good?
Re: Key changes during a track, I think I can count the Dubs that I heard do that on one hand.
Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:01 pm
by patient
dnt wrote:
I dont think i've ever heard or will ever hear a sane, skilled or confident DJ say mixing in key is "gay as fuck".
Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:04 pm
by two oh one
patient wrote:dnt wrote:
I dont think i've ever heard or will ever hear a sane, skilled or confident DJ say mixing in key is "gay as fuck".
Last person I heard describe something as gay had his trousers stuck in his socks and cheap cider on his breath despite being about 8:30am.
Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:05 pm
by manray
dnt wrote:manray wrote:Key mixing is gay as fuck. This website is gay as fuck. Just look at the rainbow fucking wheel you need to mix. (watch the youtube video was some more gay music in the background) WHAT THE HELL IS WITH THAT WOMAN DANCING SO STRANGELY. KILL ME NOW I NEED NOT TO BE SEEING THIS CRAP AT 9:40 IN THE MORNING.
And I sir, would never listen to you mix a beat in your life then.
Mixing in key is gay as fuck? Do you have any concept of music and why you mix in key? So it doesnt sound "gay as fuck". It keeps flow, it helps build, drive and keep tension.
I dont think i've ever heard or will ever hear a sane, skilled or confident DJ say mixing in key is "gay as fuck".
edit: Reading more posts, it seems some of you dont even know what mixing in key entails or its benefits.... based on comments. We should let robots DJ for us now? Can you identify the key of a song? If you answer "Why would I care".. Then I suggest more music theory and a bit more playing out on your decks.
You stick to your DJCRAFTSKILL THEORY and i'll stick to plain old experience. I dont need some fucking faggotry computer or some bullshit notes written down on each record to match they key. I know my tunes and i dont mix ones that obviosly will clash and sound shit together. [edited so as not to offend to much...]
Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 2:36 am
by auan
DJelements wrote:Damn, why don't we just get automixing.
Like... have robots do it. The DJs can make their own robots.
Hell yeah, great idea. Wait no, it's fucking stupid.
Deckadance can already do it. Load in a playlist of MP3s, let it analyse them, it then mixes through them in the style of a DJ mix, beatmatching, doing swish filter mixes, doing long crossfades, not sure about key mixing, but definitely everything but.
Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:01 am
by gravious
manray wrote:Key mixing is gay as fuck. .
Indeed. In fact it has been scientifically proven that the ability to match to pieces of music in key despite differing BPMs is inherent in the so-called "gay gene".
However, this statement does beg the question:
How gay
is fuck?
Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:59 am
by manray
gravious wrote:manray wrote:Key mixing is gay as fuck. .
However, this statement does beg the question:
How gay
is fuck?
My understanding of the matter is that it tracks against the value of London Brent crude oil.
Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 7:10 pm
by little boh peep
Princess gay of the fuck kingdom checking in.
Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 7:42 pm
by FSTZ
two oh one wrote:a) I am do already at mix them in keys use my ears yeah stoopid yeah
or
b) Mixing in key is teh geigh an I am do knot care cuz yeah 2 chords an tha troof yeah innit yeah?
quoted for awesomeness~!!!
Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 7:52 pm
by FSTZ
I think mixing in key is important. Nothing worse that two sounds keyclashing like nails on a chalkboard
I don't have this much time on my hands anymore, but I used to make sure the tunes I play mix well with eachother and didn't create nasty vibes
I cant see myself investing in this software
perhaps I ahould actually push the key correction button on my software as well
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:36 pm
by abZ
unklefesta wrote:I think mixing in key is important. Nothing worse that two sounds keyclashing like nails on a chalkboard
I don't have this much time on my hands anymore, but I used to make sure the tunes I play mix well with eachother and didn't create nasty vibes
I cant see myself investing in this software
perhaps I ahould actually push the key correction button on my software as well
Agreed. I do a lot of key mixing. I just use ears. I can figure out the keys for a batch of new tunes in less than an hour. I could never trust a piece of software to do this.
And imo the key correction button makes tunes sound like shit.
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 7:37 pm
by djshiva
manray wrote:Key mixing is gay as fuck. This website is gay as fuck. Just look at the rainbow fucking wheel you need to mix.
manray wrote:You stick to your DJCRAFTSKILL THEORY and i'll stick to plain old experience. I dont need some fucking faggotry computer or some bullshit notes written down on each record to match they key. I know my tunes and i dont mix ones that obviosly will clash and sound shit together. [edited so as not to offend to much...]
wow...who knew there was so much homosexuality involved in actually giving a shit about music theory when you mix?
gravious wrote:
Indeed. In fact it has been scientifically proven that the ability to match to pieces of music in key despite differing BPMs is inherent in the so-called "gay gene".
However, this statement does beg the question:
How gay is fuck?
WIN!
Little Boh Peep wrote:Princess gay of the fuck kingdom checking in.
DOUBLE WIN!
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 7:55 pm
by two oh one
"That's gay, that is"
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 8:14 am
by thesynthesist
dnt wrote:Ive used it, unfortunately I found it wasnt as accurate as they tried to claim. I found myself manually correcting (by listening) some of the pitches it identified.
Who asked why it was gay as fuck?