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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:39 am
by distro
brklss wrote:Well, a snare you think is good could be shit in my opinion, so let's not talk about something like that as it's pointless. But just giving any snare reverb doesn't make it better or worse, that's what I was trying to say.
The formulaic approach to dub step is a totally huge verbed up snare/layered with other snares/claps and compressed.I'd say reverb was the key element in getting my snares soundin huge, And yes just wacking reverb onto a snare willy nilly isn't going to make it sound good.. but spinning off arbitrary values for plug ins isn't going to make your snare sound good either. every sound should be treated differently and with special care. Things like this really come down to experience and trial and error approach until u learn to select your samples and FX correctly IMO
Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:44 am
by r
plix stop with the massive verbz
Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 12:19 pm
by distro
Some things to look out for and try with snare/drum sounds
*tune drums in key
*tune layered samples
*Group and process all the same hits together (Tightens and moulds together dyanamics)
*MAKE SURE SAMPLE HAS NO SILENCE AT START!!
*Control samples with envelope
*Control the transient of the (layered)hit by using the envelope of each individual sample
*Know where each frequency is coming from low mid and high(spect analyzer)
*Group ALL drums together and process TOGETHER at end of chain (i'd do this right at the end of my mixdown)
*Automate depth of reverb on different hits (or have 2 snares with dif depths)
*Have same sample but going through a dry chan (more for ghosting snares)
*only boost frequencies that are there
*use quality plugins (esp for reverb and EQ)
*spend alot of time getting the reverb levels and time correct!!
Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 12:21 pm
by brklss
distro wrote:
The formulaic approach to dub step ...
You already fail here. Dubstep has got nothing to do with formulas and let's hope it won't start.
Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 1:03 pm
by r
brklss wrote:distro wrote:
The formulaic approach to dub step ...
You already fail here. Dubstep has got nothing to do with formulas and let's hope it won't start.
open your eyes dude.. it has accept it or not.. thats your choice
Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:21 pm
by distro
R wrote:brklss wrote:distro wrote:
The formulaic approach to dub step ...
You already fail here. Dubstep has got nothing to do with formulas and let's hope it won't start.
open your eyes dude.. it has accept it or not.. thats your choice
dubstep is still quite young so you can still get away with more. But the formulas have been laid down, And if you actually know anything about electronic music the thing that defines the genre is the formula of elements used.. the more mature the genre becomes the more defined the formula becomes.
LFO-Filter ring a bell? Or does that have absoulutely nothign to do with the formula just like Snares and reverb?
Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 4:42 am
by kato!
brklss wrote:distro wrote:
The formulaic approach to dub step ...
You already fail here. Dubstep has got nothing to do with formulas and let's hope it won't start.
Hmm I'm not too sure about that! It has to have a formula to be a genre, although I define this formula as music with a tempo of 138 - 140 bpm, which is driven by subbass! I hope I don't start a riot here!
Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:43 pm
by Sharmaji
big up distro for some serious info there. i'll also add to listen to see that your samples are in phase... that adding a layer makes the sound louder and fuller, not thinner and quieter.
sure, a big honkin' snare is ONE way to make a dubstep tune work. alot of big, big, big tunes have tiny, dry snares as well. listen to DMZ's catalog... or even just mala's tunes. always pickin' the right sounds to go with the groove, or build the groove out of the right sounds, as opposed to using dubstep snare #2 on the backbeat.
to say nothing of how many big tunes barely have snares in 'em.
Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 12:41 pm
by distro
Kato! wrote:brklss wrote:distro wrote:
The formulaic approach to dub step ...
You already fail here. Dubstep has got nothing to do with formulas and let's hope it won't start.
Hmm I'm not too sure about that! It has to have a formula to be a genre, although I define this formula as music with a tempo of 138 - 140 bpm, which is driven by subbass! I hope I don't start a riot here!
yeah point taken, Im basing my views from alot of the tracks ive heard recently.. Just stating an understanding of a pattern maybe a fad. A formulaic/stereotypical dubstep tune (for the time being) is big snare, with LFO->filter bass automation... the collective trend if u will for the copy cat maestros
