occam's razor

[Pada]

'I don't believe in faries'

I doooo believe in fairies i doooo i doooo!

[parson]

"Science is the art of creating suitable illusions, which the fool enjoys or argues against, but the wise man enjoys for their beauty or ingenuity, without being blind to the fact that they are human veils and curtains concealing the abysmal darkness of the unknowable."
- Carl Jung

see...that. isn't there any flexibility with a marriage of the two? is it possible to have a sustained synthesis where the individual is steadfast to build upon widely accepted theories while somehow remaining open to the possibility of something happening outside the boundaries? Like....I like to think of Science as a guide or maybe a primer, but I also acknowledge that there is a good amount of experience that can't be encapsulated in known theories and end results. Is it a one thing cancels the other, like to believe in mysticism seems to toss out science and vice versa? Aren't they supposed to be working together? And not together in hopes that eventually one discredits the other. A mutual coexistence of sorts?

all kinds of brilliant people from the past enjoyed a coexistence.
see people like isaac newton, and jack parsons who saw no difference between their pursuit of "science" and "the occult".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Newt ... lt_studies

[bellybelle]

all kinds of brilliant people from the past enjoyed a coexistence.
see people like isaac newton, and jack parsons who saw no difference between their pursuit of "science" and "the occult".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Newt ... lt_studies

Thanks Parson!! How'd you know where my mind was goin with that....mebbe you didn't...

"Newton's interest in alchemy cannot be isolated from his contributions to science.[13] (This was at a time when there was no clear distinction between alchemy and science.) Had he not relied on the occult idea of action at a distance, across a vacuum, he might not have developed his theory of gravity. (See also Isaac Newton's occult studies.)"

I was just gonna ask before I clicked about where do things like alchemy factor in with the whole occam's razor principle...

[parson]

newton's alchemical pursuits are talked about today because they're trying to make him out to be a failure in the occult arts. he never found the philosopher's stone so it seems easier to discredit his pursuits. but he was deeply involved with the occult. not just alchemy.

[parson]

its like building a house with two tool boxes

one box has regular tools and the other box has invisible tools.

most people don't want to use the invisible tools because they don't see them and therefore don't investigate them and find comfort in the consensus that they don't exist. but if you pay attention, you see that these dudes are getting incredible results from these tools. so you look closer, and try them out yourself and you get results too. cool!
most people prefer to not talk about the invisible tools though. it makes them less effective for subversive purposes when people know whats going on.

anyway, its beyond boring to watch people call this stuff fairy tales

[parson]

keeping them separate ensures that those who know how to combine them have the MOST POWER

not trying to turn this into an argument so if you're a pissant skip past this post, but the fact is that NASA is run by the Freemasons, N-AZIs, and Magicians.

[bellybelle]

its like building a house with two tool boxes

one box has regular tools and the other box has invisible tools.

most people don't want to use the invisible tools because they don't see them and therefore don't investigate them and find comfort in the consensus that they don't exist. but if you pay attention, you see that these dudes are getting incredible results from these tools. so you look closer, and try them out yourself and you get results too. cool!
most people prefer to not talk about the invisible tools though. it makes them less effective for subversive purposes when people know whats going on.

anyway, its beyond boring to watch people call this stuff fairy tales

i like your tool analogy. i'd like to have a tool belt with both on to build the best house. thats how i see it. a bit too simple, maybe....but i think that works. occult studies were always dismissed in my home because i was in a strong fundamentalist baptist home. i guess thats why i'm a lil surprised there is less leeway in the scientific community and feels a little familiar even though the treatment is coming from the polar opposite. i wish i knew more.

[parson]

quantum physics is starting to bridge the two.

if you're lookin for a rabbit hole

[spooKs]

the fact is that NASA is run by the Freemasons, N-AZIs, and Magicians.

nice fact, but mine are better

[bellybelle]

quantum physics is starting to bridge the two.

if you're lookin for a rabbit hole

thats a big rabbit hole. my group talks about it in relation to paranormal studies/theories/investigations but the conversations are so amorphous and i'm not getting anything really to pin down. i just get kinda lost in it, furl my brow, and try to listen for something substantial.

[parson]

watch some dr quantum videos http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... type=&aq=f

[seckle]

i'm reading a book about telepathy at the moment, and the one interesting part of it, is that there's new research going on right now with whales and dolphins thats right at the fringes of scientific reasoning. they're basically using as much present day scientific facts to make the first attempt at trying to prove that certain mammals communicate over thousands of miles of water in very distinct ways, and without sound of any kind. a lot of the theories that they're coming up with mention and use OR, but many of their critics are equally challenging them for using OR.

it's fascinating stuff, when deductive reasoning and science clash. larging up Sir Ockham everytime. his time...

theres a few books on it, and this is good intro to it.
http://www.amazon.com/When-Animals-Spea ... gy_b_img_b

and for the record, i trust science before everything.

[parson]

john lilly said dolphins are the arbiters of coincidence control acting on behalf of extraterrestrials, and this video i watched last night with Dr. Wm. R. Deagle MD says that whales are actually holding reality together and earth literally cannot exist without them

[seckle]

basically, no one really has enough concrete evidence about communication in water. how a group of whales in south africa can travel nearly across the planet to find a similar group of whales in hawaii, for example. cousteau in the 60's was one of the first to suggest it's sound, but that theory has been rebuked by people that've put homing devices on whales and monitored them. there's simply no explanation, other than they communicate across that distance in some way. maybe we'll never know. maybe we'll find out tomorrow. either way, it's pretty amazing stuff.

[parson]

its totally telepathy dude

quantum entanglement

"spooky action at a distance"

same thing

john lilly was a scientist who dedicated his life to telepathic communication with dolphins

[guerillaeye]

In a very non-scientific but truth-grounded statement, "Big up the Tele-phone!"

ET phone home type steez.

ive been lacking compared to where my understandings once were, and I can put a few years on monotony between then and now... where responsibility and accountability have trumped psychic exploration. I need to find that balance of the 9-5 and the ∞ .. id have more to add.

[kani]

its totally telepathy dude

quantum entanglement

"spooky action at a distance"

same thing

john lilly was a scientist who dedicated his life to telepathic communication with dolphins

Crowley's protege Jack Parsons your namesake?
i had a hunch..

Read an article a while ago about Lilly getting properly doped up on ketamine in a swimming tank with dolphins.

I especially like Occams razor when applied to conspiracy theories,
most often you hear it used to discredit conspiracies suggesting multiple persons and covert actions by stating the most simple, aka lone gunman is the most plausible.

but it also cuts both ways,
on 9/11 Three towers fell mainly into their footprint at close to free fall speed.
think of all the complex and very non likely actions that have to happen to result in three buildings to fail in that manner.
Occam's razor would support the notion controlled demolition.

[elbe]

been reading a little on this OR thing. Quite simply a bollocks way of thinking.

the simplest theory is most likely to be true? why not just draw straws on it, that would make as much sense.

[fuagofire]

been reading a little on this OR thing. Quite simply a bollocks way of thinking.

the simplest theory is most likely to be true? why not just draw straws on it, that would make as much sense.

for example ; - god did it.

[elbe]

been reading a little on this OR thing. Quite simply a bollocks way of thinking.

the simplest theory is most likely to be true? why not just draw straws on it, that would make as much sense.

for example ; - god did it.

after all that is only one assumption. for many that wouldn't even be an assumption.