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Post by felixgash » Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:35 pm

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felixGash wrote:Not to be offensive, but I hate weed smoking and pity weed smokers. There's something pathetic about it.
That's a bit unnecessary mate. It's a bit high horse if you ask me. It's not like everyone does it to escape their lives. Some people prefer it to a pint.

If you don't like it, fair enough, no need to preach though.

Just my opinion though mate...
...which you're entirely entitled too.

I don't mean mine to be offensive or high horse, but it is mine regardless.

It's shaped by my own personal experiences: I'd say 9/10 people who smoke weed that I know are genuinely uninteresting and rather dull. In other words.. I know people from all backgrounds who smoke, people who work, those who study, and those who do fuck all.. but the ones I do know have absolutely nothing to their personalities.

Maybe I need to get with some cool weed smokers..
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Post by pk- » Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:36 pm

brings on the Fear :(

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Post by felixgash » Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:36 pm

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Post by felixgash » Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:40 pm

Basically..

I get the impression most weed smokers can't do without their weed.. like they're addicted.. that's what I find pathetic.
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Post by pk- » Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:41 pm

I can't skank sober
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Post by bellybelle » Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:43 pm

felixGash wrote:Basically..

I get the impression most weed smokers can't do without their weed.. like they're addicted.. that's what I find pathetic.
yeah addiction is bad, fg. i wholeheartedly agree with that. i wouldn't necessarily say i was addicted because i've gone without for extended periods of time. but i definitely would rather have it than not.

and for all the people who are burnouts, there are a lot of functional smokers, too. they just don't ever look the picture of it. most of my paintings i've painted on herb. when i did my bellystep performance, i blazed 10 mins before in my car. if a person is motivated and driven of their own, herbs not gonna halt or enhance them. but if they're lazy to start with, they're gonna be lazy afterwards.
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Post by pk- » Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:44 pm

do you ever get the Fear belle

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Post by sqwol » Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:45 pm

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Post by jahtao » Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:46 pm

Ended 7 years of daily smoking at about age 24, (stopped completely). Never looked back. Recommend it.

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Post by felixgash » Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:46 pm

pk- wrote:
I can't skank sober
:P
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:oops:

Ha.. I meant that specifically in relation to Dubstep. I really like DS, but I'm not the biggest fan in the world, especially of the raves. If I'm sober at a DS dance I'm very, very bored. However I can be sober and kick back to a Burial tape at home, or sober walking back from work at 3am and listening to a Rusko set to raise my adrenalin levels incase some crackhead tries it. Ya geeeet me? 8)
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Post by bellybelle » Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:46 pm

pk- wrote:do you ever get the Fear belle

nah i never get the fear from herb. i'm paranoid sober....herb actually helps me decipher which is rational and which is delusional.
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Post by kins83 » Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:47 pm

felixGash wrote:
kins83 wrote:
felixGash wrote:Not to be offensive, but I hate weed smoking and pity weed smokers. There's something pathetic about it.
That's a bit unnecessary mate. It's a bit high horse if you ask me. It's not like everyone does it to escape their lives. Some people prefer it to a pint.

If you don't like it, fair enough, no need to preach though.

Just my opinion though mate...
...which you're entirely entitled too.

I don't mean mine to be offensive or high horse, but it is mine regardless.

It's shaped by my own personal experiences: I'd say 9/10 people who smoke weed that I know are genuinely uninteresting and rather dull. In other words.. I know people from all backgrounds who smoke, people who work, those who study, and those who do fuck all.. but the ones I do know have absolutely nothing to their personalities.

Maybe I need to get with some cool weed smokers..
Oh yeah for sure. I know a good few unemployed dullards that are going nowhere fast who smoke regularly. But then....wow I feel a deja vu...

Obviously, you are entitled to your opinion, but I think that opening by saying "not to be offensive", then going on to effectively call anyone who smokes weed pathetic isn't the best way to go about setting off any form of decent debate.

I consider myself to be fairly interesting, and there's plenty of characters on here that I reckon I would have a good conversation with, and there's plenty of smokers on here.

I think my gripe is the sweeping generalisation, nothing else.
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Post by felixgash » Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:49 pm

kins83 wrote:I think my gripe is the sweeping generalisation, nothing else.
Worded wrong, my bad. I've explained what I meant a few posts above..
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Post by felixgash » Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:53 pm

bellybelle wrote: and for all the people who are burnouts, there are a lot of functional smokers, too.
Yeah defo. My girls all smoke but I love em to bits.. they don't smoke everyday, but every couple days I might walk into their room and they'll be sat in bed watching Sex And The City with a couple tubs of ice cream, some bread, cheese, various cereals, Ryvita, and an orange/banana or two.. it's cool!

I just don't understand (or maybe I do.. I just don't "like" to put it simply) when people feel the need to talk about blazing all the time! Fiends!
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Post by frebentos » Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:58 pm

felixGash wrote:
I just don't understand (or maybe I do.. I just don't "like" to put it simply) when people feel the need to talk about blazing all the time! Fiends!
neither do i man. Coming from one that smokes quite regularly, i do enjoy it, but its hardly my life and not the end of the world if I don't/can't get it.

my inability to do something is never effected by whether iv puffed a jint or not, i find that quite alarming tbh.

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Post by bellybelle » Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:58 pm

felixGash wrote:every couple days I might walk into their room and they'll be sat in bed watching Sex And The City with a couple tubs of ice cream, some bread, cheese, various cereals, Ryvita, and an orange/banana or two.. it's cool!
when i move to LA, lets do this! I dunno what Ryvita is but the rest sounds scrumptious! :D You can even bring Chicken Parm. ;)
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Post by bellybelle » Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:03 pm

frebentos wrote:
felixGash wrote:
I just don't understand (or maybe I do.. I just don't "like" to put it simply) when people feel the need to talk about blazing all the time! Fiends!
neither do i man. Coming from one that smokes quite regularly, i do enjoy it, but its hardly my life and not the end of the world if I don't/can't get it.

my inability to do something is never effected by whether iv puffed a jint or not, i find that quite alarming tbh.
thats just addiction in general, tho. i mean, people who can't live without checking their online stuffs....people who go into debt purchasing trainers...people who put their health in jeopardy because they need a sexual fix...people who lose their jobs playing a game online....people who lose girlfriends/boyfriends because of their addictions to musical production/dj-ing...addiction is addiction.

its all about balance and priorities. a person who is addicted to anything means they have given partial control of their lives to something outside themselves....which is always wrong. and this is coming from an addicted nicotine smoker.
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Post by christophera » Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:09 pm

FACTS ABOUT WEED

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10. MARIJUANA USE HAS NO EFFECT ON MORTALITY: A massive study of California HMO members funded by the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) found marijuana use caused no significant increase in mortality. Tobacco use was associated with increased risk of death. Sidney, S et al. Marijuana Use and Mortality. American Journal of Public Health. Vol. 87 No. 4, April 1997. p. 585-590. Sept. 2002. Full Text PDF

9. HEAVY MARIJUANA USE AS A YOUNG ADULT WON'T RUIN YOUR LIFE: Veterans Affairs scientists looked at whether heavy marijuana use as a young adult caused long-term problems later, studying identical twins in which one twin had been a heavy marijuana user for a year or longer but had stopped at least one month before the study, while the second twin had used marijuana no more than five times ever. Marijuana use had no significant impact on physical or mental health care utilization, health-related quality of life, or current socio-demographic characteristics. Eisen SE et al. Does Marijuana Use Have Residual Adverse Effects on Self-Reported Health Measures, Socio-Demographics or Quality of Life? A Monozygotic Co-Twin Control Study in Men. Addiction. Vol. 97 No. 9. p.1083-1086. Sept. 1997,, ||

8. THE "GATEWAY EFFECT" MAY BE A MIRAGE: Marijuana is often called a "gateway drug" by supporters of prohibition, who point to statistical "associations" indicating that persons who use marijuana are more likely to eventually try hard drugs than those who never use marijuana â&#128;&#148; implying that marijuana use somehow causes hard drug use. But a model developed by RAND Corp. researcher Andrew Morral demonstrates that these associations can be explained "without requiring a gateway effect." More likely, this federally funded study suggests, some people simply have an underlying propensity to try drugs, and start with whatâ&#128;&#153;s most readily available. Morral AR, McCaffrey D and Paddock S. Reassessing the Marijuana Gateway Effect. Addiction. December 2002. p. 1493-1504. Full Text HTML

7. PROHIBITION DOESN'T WORK (PART I): The White House had the National Research Council examine the data being gathered about drug use and the effects of U.S. drug policies. NRC concluded, "the nation possesses little information about the effectiveness of current drug policy, especially of drug law enforcement." And what data exist show "little apparent relationship between severity of sanctions prescribed for drug use and prevalence or frequency of use." In other words, there is no proof that prohibition â&#128;&#148; the cornerstone of U.S. drug policy for a century â&#128;&#148; reduces drug use. National Research Council. Informing Americaâ&#128;&#153;s Policy on Illegal Drugs: What We Donâ&#128;&#153;t Know Keeps Hurting Us. National Academy Press, 2001. p. 193. Full Text HTML

6. PROHIBITION DOESN'T WORK (PART II: DOES PROHIBITION CAUSE THE "GATEWAY EFFECT"?): U.S. and Dutch researchers, supported in part by NIDA, compared marijuana users in San Francisco, where non-medical use remains illegal, to Amsterdam, where adults may possess and purchase small amounts of marijuana from regulated businesses. Looking at such parameters as frequency and quantity of use and age at onset of use, they found no differences except one: Lifetime use of hard drugs was significantly lower in Amsterdam, with its "tolerant" marijuana policies. For example, lifetime crack cocaine use was 4.5 times higher in San Francisco than Amsterdam. Reinarman, C, Cohen, PDA, and Kaal, HL. The Limited Relevance of Drug Policy: Cannabis in Amsterdam and San Francisco. American Journal of Public Health. Vol. 94, No. 5. May 2004. p. 836-842. Full Text HTML

5. OOPS, MARIJUANA MAY PREVENT CANCER (PART 1): Federal researchers implanted several types of cancer, including leukemia and lung cancers, in mice, then treated them with cannabinoids (unique, active components found in marijuana). THC and other cannabinoids shrank tumors and increased the miceâ&#128;&#153;s lifespans. Munson, AE et al. Antineoplastic Activity of Cannabinoids. Journal of the National Cancer Institute. Sept. 1975. p. 597-602. Full Text HTML

4. OOPS, MARIJUANA MAY PREVENT CANCER, (PART 2): In a 1994 study the government tried to suppress, federal researchers gave mice and rats massive doses of THC, looking for cancers or other signs of toxicity. The rodents given THC lived longer and had fewer cancers, "in a dose-dependent manner" (i.e. the more THC they got, the fewer tumors). NTP Technical Report On The Toxicology And Carcinogenesis Studies Of 1-Trans- Delta-9-Tetrahydrocannabinol, CAS No. 1972-08-3, In F344/N Rats And B6C3F(1) Mice, Gavage Studies. Full Text PDF See also, "Medical Marijuana: Unpublished Federal Study Found THC-Treated Rats Lived Longer, Had Less Cancer," AIDS Treatment News no. 263, Jan. 17, 1997. Full Text HTML

3. OOPS, MARIJUANA MAY PREVENT CANCER (PART 3): Researchers at the Kaiser-Permanente HMO, funded by NIDA, followed 65,000 patients for nearly a decade, comparing cancer rates among non-smokers, tobacco smokers, and marijuana smokers. Tobacco smokers had massively higher rates of lung cancer and other cancers. Marijuana smokers who didnâ&#128;&#153;t also use tobacco had no increase in risk of tobacco-related cancers or of cancer risk overall. In fact their rates of lung and most other cancers were slightly lower than non-smokers, though the difference did not reach statistical significance. Sidney, S. et al. Marijuana Use and Cancer Incidence (California, United States). Cancer Causes and Control. Vol. 8. Sept. 1997, p. 722-728. Full Text PDF

2. OOPS, MARIJUANA MAY PREVENT CANCER (PART 4): Donald Tashkin, a UCLA researcher whose work is funded by NIDA, did a case-control study comparing 1,200 patients with lung, head and neck cancers to a matched group with no cancer. Even the heaviest marijuana smokers had no increased risk of cancer, and had somewhat lower cancer risk than non-smokers (tobacco smokers had a 20-fold increased lung cancer risk). Tashkin D. Marijuana Use and Lung Cancer: Results of a Case-Control Study. American Thoracic Society International Conference. May 23, 2006.

1. MARIJUANA DOES HAVE MEDICAL VALUE: In response to passage of Californiaâ&#128;&#153;s medical marijuana law, the White House had the Institute of Medicine (IOM) review the data on marijuanaâ&#128;&#153;s medical benefits and risks. The IOM concluded, "Nausea, appetite loss, pain and anxiety are all afflictions of wasting, and all can be mitigated by marijuana." While noting potential risks of smoking, the report added, "we acknowledge that there is no clear alternative for people suffering from chronic conditions that might be relieved by smoking marijuana, such as pain or AIDS wasting." The governmentâ&#128;&#153;s refusal to acknowledge this finding caused co-author John A. Benson to tell the New York Times that the government "loves to ignore our report â&#128;¦ they would rather it never happened." Joy, JE, Watson, SJ, and Benson, JA. Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base. National Academy Press. 1999. p. 159. Full Text HTML See also, Harris, G. FDA Dismisses Medical Benefit From Marijuana. New York Times. Apr. 21, 2006

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Researchers presented tantalizing evidence that cannabinoid drugs can help treat amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, known as ALS or Lou Gehrig's disease, Parkinson's disease and obesity. Other researchers are studying whether the compounds can help victims of stroke and multiple sclerosis.
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In addition to Δ9-THC, cannabidiol (CBD), cannabinol (CBN) and cannabigerol (CBG) are also present in reasonable quantities in Cannabis. CBN has low affinity for CB1 and CB2 receptors, whereas the non-psychotropic cannabinoids, CBD and CBG, have negligible affinity for the cloned receptors. We have determined that these additional cannabinoids are also effective and inhibiting aggressive cancers.
basically pot is a wonder-drug. the only thing pathetic about it is small-minded people who believe otherwise.

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Post by frebentos » Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:10 pm

bellybelle wrote:
frebentos wrote:
felixGash wrote:
I just don't understand (or maybe I do.. I just don't "like" to put it simply) when people feel the need to talk about blazing all the time! Fiends!
neither do i man. Coming from one that smokes quite regularly, i do enjoy it, but its hardly my life and not the end of the world if I don't/can't get it.

my inability to do something is never effected by whether iv puffed a jint or not, i find that quite alarming tbh.
thats just addiction in general, tho. i mean, people who can't live without checking their online stuffs....people who go into debt purchasing trainers...people who put their health in jeopardy because they need a sexual fix...people who lose their jobs playing a game online....people who lose girlfriends/boyfriends because of their addictions to musical production/dj-ing...addiction is addiction.

its all about balance and priorities. a person who is addicted to anything means they have given partial control of their lives to something outside themselves....which is always wrong. and this is coming from an addicted nicotine smoker.
agree with you on all points, im simply saying that if someone HAS to smoke before doing anything then they need to stop and learn to do it on their own.

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Post by christophera » Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:13 pm

what i'm saying is that if pot bothers you, it's your problem and not the pot-user's.

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