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With a little help from the labels, producers will transmit the label vision flawlessly- and in turn, the label will prosper from a catalog of tunes that not only fit the label, but draw in listeners and DJs alike.

Veil wrote:Yeah, a good read and some interesting, positive points.

With a little help from the labels, producers will transmit the label vision flawlessly- and in turn, the label will prosper from a catalog of tunes that not only fit the label, but draw in listeners and DJs alike.

I think it's very difficult for a label to guide its artists over a period of time when they are not signed exclusively to them, which of course requires an advance budget out of reach of all but the biggest dubstep labels. Even if they are signed exclusively, it can very easily cause resentment and has to be done in exactly the right way to avoid the artist being made to feel their work is inadequate. Cherry-picking artists on a record-by-record basis is the only way for the smaller labels, but a label with a strong vision will attract the appropriate artists I guess.

Thought provoking stuff.

sapphic_beats wrote:to me, one of the biggest issues of any niche genre is the self-referential aspect, when people spend more time imitating the biggest artists in the genre, because it's all they are listening to.

it's always a good idea to listen to a wide variety of music, and not to concentrate too hard on the formulas of a genre.

i don't think dubstep is dead. i hear plenty of innovation, although i do think that there are a lot of unknown artists who are pushing further than the big names. that said, there are still plenty of known producers who are still really interesting to me.

that said, i would like to hear a little more creativity and thought from the DJ end of things. many sets i hear are just this week's dubs strung end to end, with no rhyme or reason, and no real ideas behind how they are put together. a lot of that comes from the "big drop" mentality, and it gets really boring really quickly.

and i think that plays into this feeling that there is no innovation. when DJs are wanting the overt reaction from the crowd, they are gonna head more for the "big drops". that ends up saturating events and people's ears with the same ole same ole, and lends itself to less thoughtful putting together of tunes. it's a vicious circle really.

but it's one we have all seen before, in many electronic genres. this is nothing new. and so the circle becomes macro. LOL

i guess i would just challenge both producers and DJs to think less about the personal glory of the crowd reaction to the "big drop" and more about the ideas (personal, political, spiritual....whatever, just reach for some artistic vision) they want to express both with music and DJing.

eshscramble wrote:Hahaha did that feel good? You don't have to get all tall about it... There are some really good points on here. a book? No, you need to get laid.

eshscramble wrote:how upset you decided to be

adisize wrote:

The Wiggle Baron wrote:I dont really understand what the point/message of it is?
The "dubstep is old, move on" business seems more like an attention grabbing headline than a well considered and backed up point to me.

Feel free to enlighten me though

this. ok read though

3275 wrote:If you consider Dubstep a job, then I suggest that you quit.
Keep it fresh, push boundaries.. Make music from the heart.

two oh one wrote:Nice points raised.

Labels, Schmabels.

Artists should get wise to labels, who are often going to do very little for them. It seems like the labels get more out of the whole deal with the tens of, erm, tens of sales.

Labels that approach artists should be offering something other than the usual "you should be happy that somebody is showing interest in your tracks' bollocks. I know that the money isn't there and probably never likely will be (If we're going to be brutally honest) , but what about just furthering the artist? People who start these labels should have some experience, contacts, whatever. Something that the artist doesn't have. Something to bring to the table.

Myself, as an artist whose dub stuff is as yet unattached to any label, I can get my music in countless online stores and played on the radio, including *real* radio stations, not just the web ones. I can get it considered for commercial use. I can get physical copies into record stores as long as I'm willing to do the leg/phone work. Anybody reading this can do the same.

As a label, what do I need YOU for? What are you going to do for ME?

I'd like to see more labels with some form of manifesto that makes them stand alone from all the identikit two-bollocks-sat-in-a-bedroom-making-a-webpage-on-a-computer labels, or 'labels' as most seem to be. I love the punky DIY aspect of it all, but bloody hell. Stand up and stand out. If you can't offer money, offer a place to gather and nurture like minds.

Who do I blame? The panderers. Too much pandering, not enough vision.

sapphic_beats wrote:

two oh one wrote:Nice points raised.

Labels, Schmabels.

Artists should get wise to labels, who are often going to do very little for them. It seems like the labels get more out of the whole deal with the tens of, erm, tens of sales.

Labels that approach artists should be offering something other than the usual "you should be happy that somebody is showing interest in your tracks' bollocks. I know that the money isn't there and probably never likely will be (If we're going to be brutally honest) , but what about just furthering the artist? People who start these labels should have some experience, contacts, whatever. Something that the artist doesn't have. Something to bring to the table.

Myself, as an artist whose dub stuff is as yet unattached to any label, I can get my music in countless online stores and played on the radio, including *real* radio stations, not just the web ones. I can get it considered for commercial use. I can get physical copies into record stores as long as I'm willing to do the leg/phone work. Anybody reading this can do the same.

As a label, what do I need YOU for? What are you going to do for ME?

I'd like to see more labels with some form of manifesto that makes them stand alone from all the identikit two-bollocks-sat-in-a-bedroom-making-a-webpage-on-a-computer labels, or 'labels' as most seem to be. I love the punky DIY aspect of it all, but bloody hell. Stand up and stand out. If you can't offer money, offer a place to gather and nurture like minds.

Who do I blame? The panderers. Too much pandering, not enough vision.

yes. all of this.