Digital or Vinyl

ammo · Post by **ammo** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 6:03 pm

Dubstepper wrote:Vinyl is such a costly business now days with so many great releases it is so hard to keep up n my pocket allways feels the pinch. I can see and understand why a lot of peps are going digital these days and very soon i can see myself having to do the same But rather that then not be able to buy or mix any new tunes attall.

True. But when tunes are limited out on vinyl it kinda makes you appreciate them more when you've been looking for them for ages or not many people have them etc, n when you drop them in a mix people wana sit up n listen. When it's mp3 anyone and everyone can get bare tunes so they can lose their impact imo. think im a hardcore vinyl purist rite now tho, but will probably have to change if im gona keep it up

oh yeah, also some clubs (like my union

) only have random cd decks

dj watson · Post by **dj watson** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 6:40 pm

Vynil for sure!!
Its good to look back at thoses TP's or exclusives or even thoses special vynils like the eastern jam tune on vynil than have a collection of tunes on cd or digital etc etc.

but saying that i would still play a digital tune on radio or in a club if i knew it was a big tune not on vynil yet!!!

|nipsy| · Post by **|nipsy|** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 6:44 pm

straight vinyl part from stuff tht gets sent to me

abZ · Post by **abZ** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:41 pm

I think it's bullshit that vinyl labels don't release both. I can't buy vinyl. feeding my kids > hunk of overpriced plastic. I don't like waiting for vinyl in the mail. I don't like that some stuff sells out day 1 while I am still at work. I don't like that I have to rip it so I can listen to it in my car or any other place than where my decks are hooked up at. When I play out I like to play one format at a time, fuck switching back and forth. Since I play at least 50
% unreleased, digital is the win. I have a huge vinyl collection, I would part with 80% of it with out blinking an eye. Yes I prefer digital.

HamCrescendo · Post by **HamCrescendo** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 8:39 pm

Theres nothing like going to the record shop and doing the magic record rack flick and finding a record you really want. I do still listen to MP3s and buy CDs, because I have a decent speaker set up on my PC, but vinyl will rule the roost for me.

I dont DJ though.

lololololol

wrecked · Post by **wrecked** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:14 pm

i buy both, but honestly, i rarely dj with vinyl anymore unless i'm djing a style that i don't pick up in digital form.

using serato is just more convenient for me.

pure · Post by **pure** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:32 pm

abZ wrote:I think it's bullshit that vinyl labels don't release both.

True

flipw · Post by **flipw** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:03 pm

Pure wrote:
abZ wrote:I think it's bullshit that vinyl labels don't release both.

True

I like that some things are only on vinyl

bunjcore · Post by **bunjcore** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:40 pm

PFFFT WAX!!!!
Come on guys who use serato do you stick carrots up your bottom?

fused_forces · Post by **fused_forces** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:10 pm

Wax all day long.

dov · Post by **dov** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:35 pm

Dubstep is probably the most vinyl oriented scene of the lot still, but still moves a fraction of the vinyl that used to move for successful labels in the past.
This is the first year I've done being mostly CDJ DJing, but I've been a vinyl head from the start, the change has been mainly for pragmatic reasons and because I play a lot of stuff fresh off the sequencing program or friends productions that are hot off the harddrive.
Also nowadays it's just impracticle for labels to do vinyl even if you have a P & D deal, which in the past was also more for UK and EU labels and has hardly ever been a part of the US way if doing things.
Even if a label manages to sell 1 or 2 thousand it's not really a sustainable business model to live off and support artist off of.
I do believe digital sales both empowers indie labels more than ever before and creates more opportunities for artists to earn more revenue too.

One other thing is that if you're a DJ that travels and performs it's become increasingly difficult to do so with vinyl with weight restrictions, difficulties with permits / visas, check in baggage requirements etc

Also to take into account that labels and artists usually earn more from digital because the margins are better than vinyl. Vinyl is an industry that struggles to fund itself existing whereas loads of music still sells and sells well with less overhead than vinyl.
There is a much larger market that buys digital, I know way more non-DJ folks now who trainspot tracks and often have them at home than back in the day when it was mostly just DJs who had those tracks and other folks only had them on DJ mixtapes or things like that.

As you get older you realize more and more how vinyl is heavy vs. that small backpack with 500 times more track options on CD.

I still think my vibe as a vinyl DJ was better than me now as a CD DJ as I liked the tactile feel and found it easier to groove around and jam with records than I do with CDs where I'm forced to stop and read what's on a CD, but then I did play vinyl for a great many years and am still a fledgliing CDJ DJ by comparison.

spaniard · Post by **spaniard** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 7:57 am

Nice to see peoples views on what format they prefer. From what I gather people prefer vinyl because of the buzz factor of going in or receiving it in the post, the sound and that the best tunes are released on vinyl. And it seems people buy digital because of its convinience.

Also although I agree with peeps that say that all the best tunes get released on vinyl you can still find some very good buys digitally.

These are a few I have found and bought on itunes :

TRG - Broken Heart (Martyn rmx) and Put you Down
Ikonika - Please
Darkstar - Squeeze the lime and Need You
2562 - Kameleon
Martyn - Velvet
Zed Bias - Neighbourhood

Aswell as the obvious albums from Benga, The Bug, Plastician and Blackdown and Dusk. And in my opinion are all heavy tunes.
So its kind of a agree/disagree on that point.

yooamatwa · Post by **yooamatwa** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 11:34 am

Dubstepper wrote: No i wouldn't say buying the vinyl after buying the mp3 is stupid in any way shape or form coz i have done the same too.

Thank christ i'm not the only one with more money than sense

I never thought about this in the context of the current financial climate, will it make digital more acceptable and perhaps shrink the profit margin's on vinyl making them more expensive.

pure · Post by **pure** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 11:35 am

Some people think vinyl has better sound quality?

dubstepper · Post by **dubstepper** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 12:05 pm

Pure wrote:Some people think vinyl has better sound quality?

I don't doubt that is true, but to be honest i find it hard to notice the quality diff on some tunes. I mean for instance there is some tunes, jessies song tell me that on the vinyl press it sounds very low with little bass. Now i ripped said tune to mp3 and i find my rip sounds better then the vinyl. Its louder and has the right amount of bass. So i would have to say that in general vinyl sounds better, but the odd dodgy press or low sounding vinyl can actully sound better when ripped. I have noticed certain tunes such as benga crunked up that sound a bit flat on the mp3/cd version where as the vinyl has more of a fuller sound to it. But ye vinyl still for the win.

pure · Post by **pure** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 12:12 pm

Cds/320s are proberlly crisper but vinyl has a warmer feel to the sound / less generic sound.

ammo · Post by **ammo** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 2:46 pm

Pure wrote:Cds/320s are proberlly crisper but vinyl has a warmer feel to the sound / less generic sound.

crysis · Post by **crysis** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 2:49 pm

never trust a computer, i used torq for a while...bad move

DFRNT · Post by **DFRNT** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 3:01 pm

I used to buy vinyl like nothing on earth - would spend every day down at the local store listening and buying - built up a silly, silly collection of plastic, which became cumbersome moving flats, and I finally decided to get rid of my decks.

Ended up selling almost all my records on eBay, some going for way more than I expected, some going for less.

I appreciate vinyl, and love to see people using it - but I also love the freedome I get with CD Djing. I can write all my own tracks on to a couple of CDs and play them out, not to mention promos I get in my email, dubs from this forum and all sorts of stuff that I find.

My only quibble is the expense of getting vinyl pressed from a producer's point of view - it seems almost the impossible goal, whereas writing to CD or releasing digitally seems to be much more within my grasp. Especially digital releases.

Serrato and final scratch and stuff - I say if you can use it - then be my guest. I'd struggle to trust a laptop under most club condititons, and I've been witness to some catastrophic fuck-ups because of hardware & software bugs/errors/failures - whereas I'm more certain my trusty CDs will go in the machine, and a (quiestionably) nice sound will come out the other end.

Just got to be able to afford CDJs now...

formant recordings · Post by **formant recordings** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 3:02 pm

Crysis wrote:never trust a computer, i used torq for a while...bad move

Should've bought Serato instead.

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