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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 3:01 pm
by joe muggs
Nice! See there is so much room for creativity in all those pitch-bends and time-sig changes that are part of "that sound"
Promo wrote:Wobble or not, I think most people listening to dubstep who post here are pretty obsessive about it and therefore saturation point is reached a lot earlier than just say casual listeners.
An excellent point, and I think that some people should realise that while being a purist can be a good thing, there comes a moment where you need to let the fresh air in - listen to something outside your usual musical reference points, and you might come back to what you had previously thought was stale or going nowhere and realise there are more possibilities than you think in it!
Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 3:02 pm
by frodo
jackieboi wrote:and probably say things like "I cant believe i didnt get into the last FWD, i mean i've been listening to dubstep since day 1 and there were some people in the queue who have only just started listening to it, i should have been given priority".
Do you have first hand experience of this?
Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 3:20 pm
by datura
From going out to nights from early on the wobble tracks used to be mixed up with the deeper tracks, halfstep, more rhythmic, melodic etc and used to have more of an impact due to that.
Nowadays there are certain artists who seem to just play towards the big drop, and to get the impact that used to be gained by mixing it up, it's just each tune building to a bigger and bigger drop, analogous to when jump-up jungle became big, and it's probably no surprise that some of the the artists making this music have a D&B background, and also the audience for it.
'Those who can't be named' are the most high profile exponents of this strain of dubstep and have been majorly responsible for exposing it to a greater audience and thus it's increasing popularity and hence are the most obvious targets for the ire of people, especially when Rusko in particular is talented and has made some great tunes, but seems to be wasting that talent (to my ears anyway).
Re: Why is it that the people who hate wobble
Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 3:26 pm
by the wiggle baron
Joe Muggs wrote:The Wiggle Baron wrote:
For me saying you hate wobble is almost a shorthand way of saying (without naming any names) that you hate these tunes which try and "destroy the dancefloor" or whatever through funny noises and an understanding of the synths used, as opposed to something alot more musical.
So "musical" elements - by which I'm guessing that means melodics and harmonics - are by nature superior to something that is more about rhythm and sculpting with sound?
Hmm, sorry I might have used the wrong word there. Melodics/harmonics are just as often present in a "wobble" based tune as any other. In fact I would almost say more so! Rusko couldn't be a better example!
What I mainly meant by "musical" was the rhythmic/construction side of things. Like for example the way that Mala can create such intense energy in a beat that just...doesn't seem to work! New life baby paris is a prime example, that beat is all over the place! It takes a while to kind of figure the groove of it, but once its in...jeeeeeesus
Then take a martyn or a TRG or a toasty tune or something, to boil it down to its simplest, there is something about the rhythm inherent in just about everything they seem to touch that just makes me lose it! And I think theres a massive amount of musical/rhythmic knowledge and understanding behind the creation of these beats that is sorely lacking in so many of the big wobblers on the scene.
Basically, I think when it comes down to it my argument is that the term "wobblers" implies alot more than just an LFO assigned to a filter cut off. Its the way that certain tunes seem to rely on it for pretty much all the impact of a tune, forgetting about the elements of rhythm/construction that to me are more important in a tune than anything.
In fact, in writing that last paragraph I think I came to another conclusion that the reason I might give for not liking "wobbles", is that the presence of one often seems to be associated with an allowance to forget about the rest of what goes behind making something that will make me dance! (Then theres producers who seem to be able to find the best in both worlds. I mean, take Skream - Rottan. Pure unadulterated wobble, but he didn't seem to leave it at that. Its just one of many parts of the tune that all do what I want em to...make me flail uncontrollably
)
Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 3:35 pm
by corpsey
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 3:37 pm
by the wiggle baron
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 4:28 pm
by mowgli
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 5:07 pm
by joe muggs
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:18 pm
by jackieboi
Frodo wrote:jackieboi wrote:and probably say things like "I cant believe i didnt get into the last FWD, i mean i've been listening to dubstep since day 1 and there were some people in the queue who have only just started listening to it, i should have been given priority".
Do you have first hand experience of this?
First night of fwd at the end. Me and my mates pushed through the queue towards the front cos the queue was mental and we definitely wouldnt have got in. as we were passing through i overheard some trendy little twats who werent badman enough to push through saying that to eachother (unrelated to us actually pushing in front of them - i dont think they even noticed that).
Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:24 pm
by ketamine
"Sometimes you get people who don't seem to really enjoy tunes theyre just checking what other people are into and ripping it or slating it . just because..no reason. some people just talk mostly about things they hate like it matters, like they are fighting through a crowd that isn't there. i liked the world before it was so easy for people to find out stuff and get at it. i like it when people are genuine, they like tunes, they want a dance.. i don't get it when people are ploughing in with negative claimage to something." --
Burial
Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:54 pm
by promo
Joe Muggs wrote:
Nice! See there is so much room for creativity in all those pitch-bends and time-sig changes that are part of "that sound"
Cheers dude.
Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 10:01 pm
by frodo
jackieboi wrote:First night of fwd at the end. Me and my mates pushed through the queue towards the front cos the queue was mental and we definitely wouldnt have got in. as we were passing through i overheard some trendy little twats who werent badman enough to push through saying that to eachother (unrelated to us actually pushing in front of them - i dont think they even noticed that).
Fucking r-tards.
Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 3:20 am
by freqone
String wrote:jackieboi wrote: wont admit that burial actually has some pretty shite tunes out
LIES! BAN HIM!
Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 3:35 am
by d+
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Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 4:44 am
by elementalism
South3rn wrote:some people make wobble
and some people make wobble right
Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 2:18 pm
by buckfaster
Elementalism wrote:South3rn wrote:some people make wobble
and some people make wobble right
Can't people just make music?
Surely if people are making tunes they enjoy making and others happen to have a listen and a proportion of those enjoy it, then that's what it's all about?
You can't please all the people all of the time and in a genre like dubstep, which has its fair share of anal-retentives, unless you're doing something truly groundbreaking/obscure, or you've been about for ages, you're gonna get moaned at.
(ps. new wobbly stuff in the player -
www.myspace.com/buckfaster)
t.
Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:47 pm
by Mr. Mittens
Ketamine wrote:"Sometimes you get people who don't seem to really enjoy tunes theyre just checking what other people are into and ripping it or slating it . just because..no reason. some people just talk mostly about things they hate like it matters, like they are fighting through a crowd that isn't there. i liked the world before it was so easy for people to find out stuff and get at it. i like it when people are genuine, they like tunes, they want a dance.. i don't get it when people are ploughing in with negative claimage to something." --
Burial
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 12:45 am
by kay
For me it's a case of "wobble for wobble's sake" vs "wobble as part of the ensemble of the tune". Wobble's great but only when it lends itself to the tune rather than the other way round.
Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 12:50 am
by HamCrescendo
personally i hear more shit wannabe "deep" tracks than I do shit wannabe "wobble" tunes.
Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:57 am
by feral witchchild
jackieboi wrote:wont admit that burial actually has some pretty shite tunes out
Whoa, whoa, whoa, shite by whose standards?
I like how the people who (not necessarily you) bitch about what "true" dubstep heads should like impose your views on others just as much as the people you're trying to criticize. There's no absolute "bad" or "good" when it comes to music. I personally a fan of wobble, though I could understand how people may not be into it. :/