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It's worrying that there is such a massive gap between what people talk about and attempt to define on the web and what is actually happening in the clubs and the scene 'proper' (a term used above).

I've seen it a lot with funky and new scenes where the ppl (including quite a few well-known bloggers) talking clearly have limited experience of what's going on 'out there' and yet still see fit to talk in broad strokes about a scene's present or future (not talking at anyone specifically on this thread).

Please remember people and newbies often read this perception of events as fact and become even further removed from the original idea/core of what is actually happening in the real world.

It's kind of like a virtual music form evolving separate from the music itself.

Yeah radio shows, blogs and internet posts are a valid reference point but it's crucial to put it all in context and realise that internet chatter is always going to be a limited version of what's really going on in the clubs/on road/in places where this music actually started.

I'm not sure it's worrying, it's more amusing. Seeing people become house afficanados over night and contort the english language into pretentious gushings concerning the shift in UK LDN centric audio paradigm makes me piss myself.

dreamizm wrote:It's worrying that there is such a massive gap between what people talk about and attempt to define on the web and what is actually happening in the clubs and the scene 'proper' (a term used above).

I've seen it a lot with funky and new scenes where the ppl (including quite a few well-known bloggers) talking clearly have limited experience of what's going on 'out there' and yet still see fit to talk in broad strokes about a scene's present or future (not talking at anyone specifically on this thread).

Please remember people and newbies often read this perception of events as fact and become even further removed from the original idea/core of what is actually happening in the real world.

It's kind of like a virtual music form evolving separate from the music itself.

Yeah radio shows, blogs and internet posts are a valid reference point but it's crucial to put it all in context and realise that internet chatter is always going to be a limited version of what's really going on in the clubs/on road/in places where this music actually started.

a thousand co-signs

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a million

Just to clarify, I didn't mean to suggest all the producers in funky didn't know anything about house before, I just mean that there are inevitably producers that will come into it who didn't have such a big fascination with house before.

Don't mean to presume though, you're right about internet chat.

Corpsey wrote:

thc wrote:can anyone school me in US Garage? any sets to dl?

I love UK Garage and i'd like to hear the stuff that inspired it.

Me too.

http://www.deephousepage.com/
http://www.deephousepage.com/

There you will find lots of mixes, articles, etc....
Also, people who have been involved with US dance music since the early seventies hang out there (Like David Mancuso of The Loft) and people who use to go to the Paradise Garage where garage got it's name, not to mention Frankie Knuckle's Warehouse in Chicago. One can learn a lot about the history of US house music by reading the forums/ articles there.

David Mancuso
http://www.discomusic.com/people-more/49_0_11_0_C/

Enjoy!

Funky Stanton wrote:I'm not sure it's worrying, it's more amusing. Seeing people become house afficanados over night and contort the english language into pretentious gushings concerning the shift in UK LDN centric audio paradigm makes me piss myself.

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Verbal diarrhea in full effect.

First post on here and some of the following has been posted over at ukfunky.com

I'm glad to see such a good debate about this music\scene

Its also encouraging to hear so much heavy dancefloor orientated funky (i.e GROOVE) based music. I checked the Markus podcast on here and was floored by some of the tunes!

As for US V UK- I'd say its more of an influence thing really

The UK garage of the mid 90s onwards was directly influenced by the likes of Todd Edwards, Kerri Chandler, MAW , Mood to swing, Smack etc as these were the kinds of tunes that were being played in clubs.

UK Producers like Tuff Jam, Booker T, Grant Nelson, Wookie etc then made tunes in the same style (i.e skipping drums, funky bass lines, melody lines and strings, vocals) but there was a definite UK rawness to it. These US and UK style tunes would compliment each other in the sets being played. You had Vocal stuff and the (sometimes slightly tougher) instrumental sides or what are called Dubs

An example would be the Radio 1 essential mix that Tuff Jam did in 1997. I still regard this as one of the best essential mixes ever!

The 2-step (i.e break-beats) was a later development took the music in a different direction......

In the current scene it good to hear that DJs are mixing US style and UK house (just as happened originally)-

As for a lot of the tunes themselves - Theres some very good vocal tracks like DJ Naughty remix of Right here - as well as the tougher house\techno style tracks like Mario -Bass - the common factor being the groove
Theres also some incredible percussion driven tracks (as heard on the Markus podcast)

I really hope the music will continue to progress filtering out the commercial\gimmicks, wah wah blines\MC Lyrics so the music and scene at least have a chance to mature and develop a quality threshold. Its down to the Producers and DJ's to do this...

Theres a lot of potential here in the UK and even if its a 2nd or 3rd wave of the music taking a popular hold- its still exciting!

Funky Stanton wrote:The scene I'm currently working on for this programme is called 'Medieval House', I wants to hear me some of that.

harpsichord house?

ive been djing house since about 1997, and have seen big changes in the soulful/mainroom/funky house scenes since around 2003.

Aint nothin wrong with people getting into house, just treat it right, with respect and have an open mind

my friend dj's house & he tends to play alot of the stuff found on stereo sushi & the like, which is a bit more glitchy from time to time, which is cool..the UK Funky is pur pressure at the moment imo though...