What has happened to DSF

[neticsdubz]

I don't think its UK vs US business, its more like ignorant assholes from the US .vs. ignorant assholes from the UK.

everyone else gets a long fine here, tbh

precisely what i'm sayin too. the amount of dickhads involved in a scene = directly proportionate to the popularity of that scene. look at dnb now e.g.

[reptilian]

that's better.

I changed it cos I felt sorry for you - seriously you need to give it a rest you've really gone overboard in the past 24 hours

[spaniard]

And big up all the producers, djs, promoters, heads who go to the raves, buy the tunes and support the scene.

You make a very good point but I think your kinda contradicting yourself on that last bit. Its slowly becoming more and more fashionable to like dubstep and therefore more and more clear that the invertibles gona happen. I think a lot of people feel it ain't fair to big up all producers, djs and promoters equally because now were got people associating their talentless but stragely popular name with dubstep. In that sense some people on this forum feel were having the music robbed of us by the less talented, i mean i really dont understand why "wild animals" get a producer credit BEFORE c&s on the snoop dogg millionaire thing. Its gonna bring a crowd I really dont want to see anywhere near dubstep. Its like paris hilton walking in to FWD!

I suppose it all boils down to two kinds of people on this forum; those that want to see dubstep enter mainstream and those that wan't to keep it niche. Its also become very fashionable to dislike producers like caspa/rusko etc. if you support the latter. However, it looks like most of the big dogs are ready to lead dubstep into the top 40 so the whole debate has become moot now anyway. Just gotta sit back and wait for all those facebook status' to change to links to overhyperd dubstep tunes.

Were at the beginning of something big and everyone on DSF gonna have to accept that sooner or later. Dubstep ain't invincible unfortunately, its just another form of media that can and will be exploited.

This is just my opinion, I'm honestly not trying to shitstir like some of those on that snoop thread.

Exactly, I kinda see why your saying im contrdicting myself, moaning about moaners. LIke I said in the other thread Im all for dubstep getting bigger but as long as the standards and quality of tunes are kept high.

At the end of the day we are gonna have a new type of dubstep fan, the kind of fan that will go on about this snoop track but would have never hered of the guys like DMZ, Skream, Benga, Distance. which is a bit of a shame really

[aftee]

that's better.

I changed it cos I felt sorry for you - seriously you need to give it a rest you've really gone overboard in the past 24 hours

No thanks. More than half of it was a 1 on 1 argument with somebody taking personal shots at me when I was just posting in the snoop thread with my opinion. So how about you stop posting mindless shit all over saying that I am when you aren't even on to what it's all about.

[aftee]

In that sense some people on this forum feel were having the music robbed of us by the less talented, i mean i really dont understand why "wild animals" get a producer credit BEFORE c&s on the snoop dogg millionaire thing. Its gonna bring a crowd I really dont want to see anywhere near dubstep. Its like paris hilton walking in to FWD!

This is what I've been saying from the get-go, yet I'm in the wrong for some reason because people decide to interpret it as something else and proceed to flame the fuck out of me and expect me to sit and let my opinion be mis-read and quoted all over the damn forum.[/u]

[reptilian]

that's better.

I changed it cos I felt sorry for you - seriously you need to give it a rest you've really gone overboard in the past 24 hours

No thanks. More than half of it was a 1 on 1 argument with somebody taking personal shots at me when I was just posting in the snoop thread with my opinion. So how about you stop posting mindless shit all over saying that I am when you aren't even on to what it's all about.

sorry i must have imagined you starting a new post unnecessarily just to try and drill home your point even further - as if we hadn't heard what you think enough by now

anyway i'm not getting drawn into a pointless row so i'm stopping this conversation now

[aftee]

When I'm getting bitched at and being falsely accused of shit because people can't read, yeah it helps to try and explain it a bit better.

Also, lol at you when you've been the one to take shots at me out of nowhere anyways. I post something that actually has a bit of thought behind it only to be criticized by a handful of ignorant fucks who then go on to say that somehow I am what the fuck is wrong with the forum?

Get the fuck over yourself and learn to read.

[plastician]

I think everyone is worrying too much about the effect one single tune may have on the scene.

Like 8 billion people will hear Snoop's single and decide they don't actually like hip hop any more, but they do like that instrumental he's spitting lyrics over, and will decide to go and listen to every dubstep tune in the world, love it and turn up to every DMZ ever.

The single is an exciting new take on dubstep. That's all. There's a mixtape in the works which will feature all kinds of lyricists over all kinds of dubstep.

I think the fact its a massive artist spitting over a massive tune which has got people's backs up on here.

It'll be a great bit of press for Chase & Status. Whether or not people think further exposure to the sound is a good thing can't deny that 6 years ago when we used to attend FWD on a monthly basis on a Thursday night in a room of only 20 people all who knew eachother and had pretty much travelled up together from croydon, we'd have all killed for something like this to happen to the sound.

I personally think its massive for the scene and its exciting to see what will happen next.

Dubstep may be massive to all of us on this forum, but Snoop Dogg didn't need to jump on it to make money, and its not perceived as some huge musical movement across the globe so why don't we all just chill out for a sec.

I think enough has been said about it, there aren't many other points that need to be raised - we've had all the pro's and cons.

People who honestly believe one rapper spitting over one tune is going to ruin a sound as vast in its sonic boundaries as dubstep is mistaken.

Everyone needs to have a coke and a smile and stop bickering

[seckle]

its called growing pains.

this sound is nearly ten years old, and it will be here long after snoop dog collaborations and the next big hype. there's too much dubstep to love, and the beauty of 2009, is that things are being redefined and pushing the community's definitions every week practically. such is the case when a group of people inspires a whole other set of new ears. its circles of energy.

part of the paradigm of underground music is that it's at its strongest when its in the shadows and under the radar from the mainstream. its very dangerous at that point, because it doesn't need the standard music structure to exist and thrive.

i think the point i'm trying to make is that its important to make the music dangerous and hard to confine or describe. this is the legacy of early jungle, early garage and early dubstep, and i hope we don't forget that history.

[dubble]

Everyone needs to have a coke and a smile and stop bickering

Coke zero in fact.

[seckle]

When I'm getting bitched at and being falsely accused of shit because people can't read, yeah it helps to try and explain it a bit better.

Also, lol at you when you've been the one to take shots at me out of nowhere anyways. I post something that actually has a bit of thought behind it only to be criticized by a handful of ignorant fucks who then go on to say that somehow I am what the fuck is wrong with the forum?

Get the fuck over yourself and learn to read.

calm down man. its not you against the world, just because people don't agree with you.

[dq]

i never liked eastern jam but snoop straight murdered it.
bigup snoop for continuing to innovate.

[ck trust]

I think everyone is worrying too much about the effect one single tune may have on the scene.

Like 8 billion people will hear Snoop's single and decide they don't actually like hip hop any more, but they do like that instrumental he's spitting lyrics over, and will decide to go and listen to every dubstep tune in the world, love it and turn up to every DMZ ever.

The single is an exciting new take on dubstep. That's all. There's a mixtape in the works which will feature all kinds of lyricists over all kinds of dubstep.

I think the fact its a massive artist spitting over a massive tune which has got people's backs up on here.

It'll be a great bit of press for Chase & Status. Whether or not people think further exposure to the sound is a good thing can't deny that 6 years ago when we used to attend FWD on a monthly basis on a Thursday night in a room of only 20 people all who knew eachother and had pretty much travelled up together from croydon, we'd have all killed for something like this to happen to the sound.

I personally think its massive for the scene and its exciting to see what will happen next.

Dubstep may be massive to all of us on this forum, but Snoop Dogg didn't need to jump on it to make money, and its not perceived as some huge musical movement across the globe so why don't we all just chill out for a sec.

I think enough has been said about it, there aren't many other points that need to be raised - we've had all the pro's and cons.

People who honestly believe one rapper spitting over one tune is going to ruin a sound as vast in its sonic boundaries as dubstep is mistaken.

Everyone needs to have a coke and a smile and stop bickering

[__________]

big up to the people still making good posts.
dsf isn't quite dead yet, although it used to be much better when shonky was here and feasible_weasel hijacked every thread with

[plastician]

part of the paradigm of underground music is that it's at its strongest when its in the shadows and under the radar from the mainstream. its very dangerous at that point, because it doesn't need the standard music structure to exist and thrive.

I agree, but I also think this has been coming a long time now.

Mainstream have had Rusko remix Adele - something which is a lot more of a strange idea than the thought of a US rapper flowing over it.

We've also had Pendulum trying their hand at dubstep.

We've had dubstep-like tracks on Britney's album, which barely caused a ripple due to the fact it wasn't produced by a known dubstep producer.

A lot of stuff has been going on. Skream's just remixed Laroux, Joker's remixed Little Boots, I remixed Kosheen - lots of mainstream acts, its only because Snoop is such a massive mainstream act that its become a big deal.

[seckle]

part of the paradigm of underground music is that it's at its strongest when its in the shadows and under the radar from the mainstream. its very dangerous at that point, because it doesn't need the standard music structure to exist and thrive.

I agree, but I also think this has been coming a long time now.

Mainstream have had Rusko remix Adele - something which is a lot more of a strange idea than the thought of a US rapper flowing over it.

We've also had Pendulum trying their hand at dubstep.

We've had dubstep-like tracks on Britney's album, which barely caused a ripple due to the fact it wasn't produced by a known dubstep producer.

A lot of stuff has been going on. Skream's just remixed Laroux, Joker's remixed Little Boots, I remixed Kosheen - lots of mainstream acts, its only because Snoop is such a massive mainstream act that its become a big deal.

agreed bro. and there's a lot in the works right now as well. its going to be a crazy summer. no doubt.

[spaniard]

big up to the people still making good posts.
dsf isn't quite dead yet, although it used to be much better when shonky was here and feasible_weasel hijacked every thread with

That is very true, back in my lurking days its what made me join the forum. All about having a laugh enjoying the music.

Coke Zero with ice, normal Coke will get people aggy with all that sugar.

[plastician]

For real man.

Whether the track is good or not in anyone's opinion, this opens a whole new door

[aftee]

calm down man. its not you against the world, just because people don't agree with you.

It's been much more than people not agreeing with an opinion

[neticsdubz]

Everyone needs to have a coke and a smile and stop bickering

Would be a cherry coke and a smoke for me! Seriously tho @ plastician, i dont think its this one tune causing all the fuss but rather the implications of this one tune. I mean as u said theres a whole compilation of stuff soon coming which is opening a new door but i think people are worried their beloved music is bein steered in a certain direction and soon it'll be in the hands of promoters/labels that don't really know anything/care about the music. All i'm worried about (as i'm sure many others are) is the change in vibe at the nights, its that kind of f*ck-you attitude that seems to be present in so many fashionable music lovers that i want the scene to stay clear of.