not releasing digital.

joeki · Post by **joeki** » Sat May 02, 2009 12:09 pm

i want to listen to dubstep on my cell phone...

metalboxproducts · Post by **metalboxproducts** » Sat May 02, 2009 12:36 pm

Joeki wrote:i want to listen to dubstep on my cell phone...

It'll never happen

thinking · Post by **thinking** » Sat May 02, 2009 1:10 pm

Dr H wrote:buy the record. rip it to mp3. job done.

i don't think that's reasonable, then people are buying something they don't want, and seeing as most people are ripping with a DJ deck, the quality of their rip won't be as good as a proper digital copy.

no good reason not to sell digital these days imo, otherwise you're just marginalising part of your customer base.

metalboxproducts · Post by **metalboxproducts** » Sat May 02, 2009 2:20 pm

ThinKing wrote: no good reason not to sell digital these days imo, otherwise you're just marginalising part of your customer base.

collige · Post by **collige** » Sat May 02, 2009 2:20 pm

ThinKing wrote:
Dr H wrote:buy the record. rip it to mp3. job done.
i don't think that's reasonable, then people are buying something they don't want, and seeing as most people are ripping with a DJ deck, the quality of their rip won't be as good as a proper digital copy.

no good reason not to sell digital these days imo, otherwise you're just marginalising part of your customer base.

It also doesn't help if the vinyl is sold out everywhere.

dermike · Post by **dermike** » Sat May 02, 2009 3:16 pm

ThinKing wrote:
Dr H wrote:buy the record. rip it to mp3. job done.
i don't think that's reasonable, then people are buying something they don't want, and seeing as most people are ripping with a DJ deck, the quality of their rip won't be as good as a proper digital copy.

Depends on what you mean by quality. If quality = no crackles sure.. If most digital releases use the vinyl master audio, then you're losing the quality that vinyl brings to it.. which imo sounds so much better when you compare.

thinking · Post by **thinking** » Sat May 02, 2009 3:33 pm

perhaps, but any DJ deck is SHIT sound quality compared to even a cheap low-end hi-fi turntable.

Technics and all the others are made for stability, durability, and lack of feedback. Plus most people's needles aren't in great condition, and have had records go backwards/forwards loads.

Play a tune on a 1210, then on a Project Debut or any other basic hi-fi deck - the difference in sound quality is amazing!

Frankly I'd rather have a 320/wav direct from the master, as the mastering engineer intended, compared to a rip from my Technics with my shitty needles!

Don't know why I care anyways, I've never bought or downloaded an mp3....

paradise · Post by **paradise** » Sat May 02, 2009 3:43 pm

ThinKing wrote:perhaps, but any DJ deck is SHIT sound quality compared to even a cheap low-end hi-fi turntable.

Wow, is this true? If so, all this talk of vinyl being able to hold more audio 'data' and thus being better quality is kind of flawed if your a DJ? Unless of course high-end soundcards are worse than the sound quality of DJ decks.

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Sat May 02, 2009 3:49 pm

Dr H wrote:buy the record. rip it to mp3. job done.

there are plenty of people with no turntables who just want to listen to the tunes
trent reznor brings up some very valid points in this interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBxhxVIiwaA

thinking · Post by **thinking** » Sat May 02, 2009 3:49 pm

Paradise wrote:
ThinKing wrote:perhaps, but any DJ deck is SHIT sound quality compared to even a cheap low-end hi-fi turntable.
Wow, is this true? If so, all this talk of vinyl being able to hold more audio 'data' and thus being better quality is kind of flawed if your a DJ? Unless of course high-end soundcards are worse than the sound quality of DJ decks.

i might be exaggerating a little there.

but still, yea the sound quality on a cheap hi-fi turntable like the Debut is noticeably better than any DJ deck. Much richer, fuller sound, way more detail. If I was digitizing a record collection, for example, I wouldn't do it with a Technics.

keirondrk · Post by **keirondrk** » Sat May 02, 2009 3:58 pm

ThinKing wrote:perhaps, but any DJ deck is SHIT sound quality compared to even a cheap low-end hi-fi turntable.

Technics and all the others are made for stability, durability, and lack of feedback. Plus most people's needles aren't in great condition, and have had records go backwards/forwards loads.

Play a tune on a 1210, then on a Project Debut or any other basic hi-fi deck - the difference in sound quality is amazing!

Frankly I'd rather have a 320/wav direct from the master, as the mastering engineer intended, compared to a rip from my Technics with my shitty needles!

Don't know why I care anyways, I've never bought or downloaded an mp3....

yeop thats how I feel about the direct copy for my digital playback now.

but in the argument of vinyl bringing better quality... it's only as good as the master and certain freq's that can reside in a cd/wav have to be cut for a vinyl press. swings & roundabouts

(from what I read on a article posted on this forum about vinyl pressing).

mrgerbik · Post by **mrgerbik** » Sat May 02, 2009 4:26 pm

my 2 cents: i have a hi-end table but rarely get to use it... when I want a proper wav for car listening etc I always buy WAV (or FLAC) from the digi stores. there are plenty of vinyl-only releases I ONLY purchase in a lossless format from boomkat, beatport, etc. just for practical purposes.

so basically the few labels left who aren't doing digital distro are losing out on my purchases much of the time... and I know I'm not the only one.

SHAFEY · Post by **SHAFEY** » Sat May 02, 2009 4:45 pm

WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH

Someone wants to buy some quality music in a format that will enable them to enjoy it.... THIS MUST MEAN THEY WANT EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW OTHERWISE TOYS WILL BE OUT OF THE PRAM AND NAPPIES WILL BE SOILED.

But seriously...

ThinKing wrote:no good reason not to sell digital these days imo, otherwise you're just marginalising part of your customer base.

Agreed. IMO, it seems a very strange option to potentially alienate people from the music you put out. But who am I to tell people what to do with the music they produce and release? Oh yeah that's right, I'm a consumer.

:buggery:

soundbwoy · Post by **soundbwoy** » Sat May 02, 2009 5:09 pm

ThinKing wrote:perhaps, but any DJ deck is SHIT sound quality compared to even a cheap low-end hi-fi turntable.

Technics and all the others are made for stability, durability, and lack of feedback. Plus most people's needles aren't in great condition, and have had records go backwards/forwards loads.

Play a tune on a 1210, then on a Project Debut or any other basic hi-fi deck - the difference in sound quality is amazing!

Problem then is that the Technics at least stays in time where as the debut runs on a funny little belt and goes in and out of time like no-one's business. Which takes the point out of digital dj'ing really...

thinking · Post by **thinking** » Sat May 02, 2009 5:25 pm

soundbwoy wrote:Problem then is that the Technics at least stays in time where as the debut runs on a funny little belt and goes in and out of time like no-one's business. Which takes the point out of digital dj'ing really...

I dunno, I never had a problem with my old NAD deck. Wow & Flutter/Speed Variance is still well below 1% on a Debut. Not exactly a 1210 but acceptable I would have thought?

dr h · Post by **dr h** » Sat May 02, 2009 5:39 pm

i'm all for digital, but i have a lot of respect for labels who stick to their guns and release on vinyl only. like anything musical and creative, it is their choice to make and not everything is about money.

just because a canvas painting can be scanned in and digital prints of it sold, doesn't mean it should if the artist didn't intend for it to be.

what i'm saying is that if the release is vinyl only, then this is how they intended it to sound. if you hate vinyl or think it is unreasonable to have to buy it just to listen to the music, then it probably wasn't made for you anyway.

timmyyabas · Post by **timmyyabas** » Sat May 02, 2009 5:45 pm

Shafey wrote:WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH

Someone wants to buy some quality music in a format that will enable them to enjoy it.... THIS MUST MEAN THEY WANT EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW OTHERWISE TOYS WILL BE OUT OF THE PRAM AND NAPPIES WILL BE SOILED.

But seriously...

ThinKing wrote:no good reason not to sell digital these days imo, otherwise you're just marginalising part of your customer base.
Agreed. IMO, it seems a very strange option to potentially alienate people from the music you put out. But who am I to tell people what to do with the music they produce and release? Oh yeah that's right, I'm a consumer.

that's exactly wot i think. i don't buy vinyl because i've not had any vinyl decks in the house for ages. So i only buy cds and flacs/wavs off the internets. Theres loads of tunes i'd like, but are only on vinyl. If the labels want me to have that shit in the format i want it, then they will, if not, tough shit.

I can't afford to buy every single tune i'd like anyway, so a lack of choice helps in a way. And generally it's just a matter of waiting before shit gets made available digitally. If so i can wait. Been wanting Mala - Changes for time, now wirth the release of the Deep Medi CD, i'll be gettin' it.

It's up to producers/labels wot they do with their music. It's not our's to bitch about why can't we get it in the way we want it.

jaybird · Post by **jaybird** » Sat May 02, 2009 5:48 pm

digital lasts until your harddrive crashes, Vinyl lasts forever.. Gotta love those non biodegradable materials.... Vinyl is deffo not green..

One thing is tho.. it's is WAYYYYY fucking easier to release digital then vinyl.. mostly I guess due to the cost of production...

if I had a vinyl P&D.. you'd never see another digital release from me, thats for sure...

STHoldings Where you at?

capo ultra · Post by **capo ultra** » Sat May 02, 2009 6:14 pm

jaybird wrote:digital lasts until your harddrive crashes, Vinyl lasts forever..

Or until someone nicks your record bag

It's all about multiple backups of computer stuff anyway, minimising the danger

jaybird · Post by **jaybird** » Sat May 02, 2009 7:31 pm

k.. your right.. stolen records suck, but at least they are still real..

and the thing that suck about stolen stuff.. you dunno when someone nicks your wav's, once they broken into your system..

Dun think this isn't a problem?.. my firewall sees all kindas of peeps trying to grab my unreleased productions..

not releasing digital.

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