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doxxor wrote:It seems like it might be good after all not living in the UK and therfore being unable to go to the DMZ and other parties. You won't get so easily fed up with the trax being rinsed over an over again

That`s true but sometimes tunes just burn themseleves out regardless. I live in Japan and i`m also tired of Marijuana from mixes alone, though in all fairness if i heard it dropped in a club i would still skank it big style.

Also, relating to the overkaning of certain tracks does anyone else beside me think that the DJ`s able to push the scene the most (Youngsta, Hatcha, Skream et al) don`t take the opportunity to break in a wider range of artists?
Bear in mind that this opinion is based more on radio mixes than live events which i`m unable to attend, but i do get a sense that the most wide reaching DJ`s play tunes within a narrow selection of artists.
Take Allstars vol. 4 as an example. Not so much `let`s see what the next step of Dubstep has in store` but more like `Hatcha and Youngsta play a selection of tunes by Benga, Skream, DMZ, D1, Loefah Kromestar and Headhunter`...to have a combined total of 44 different tracks representing the sounds of only 7 differnt artists isn`t really expanding the scene as much as it could.
Compare this to the Vol. 3 where Kode 9 played tunes by 16 different artists in the space of 28 tracks, and although the quality of tracks wasn`t as high quality, it was definitely much more a case of `allstars` as opposed to vol. 4`s `somestars`.
DeeSuKaSu

I agree with the points made about having time away from certain tunes.

Request Line was rinsed out, especially to me because I do both the grime and the dubstep scene, but, after not hearing it for a short while, I was hit with the initial awe struck feeling that filled me on my very first listen to the track when it was dropped into a set.

DJ Sinc Vision wrote: it was definitely much more a case of `allstars` as opposed to vol. 4`s `somestars`.

Sig material

one spliff....just hear it too much.

i remember being kinda excited about it way back when deapoh first played it...now its like i hear it coming and just shudder.

this is why i stopped listening to mixes for the most part.

you raise a good point sinc vision!
people like skream not playin other tracks is one thing because of the amount he produces, but i def agree that the non producing djs could play stuff from a wider base of producers.
kinda goes back to that whole dubplate culture thing again, but the dam is gonna burst, hundreds of producers with beats stacking up that need/want to be heard. its funny cos back in the day hatcha wouldnt cut a dub that someone else had , i dunno how we get these chaps and chappetes out there , but i feel the wind of change !!!

poax wrote:yeah i hear yas,
i hope that with some tracks the long turn around may make them listenable again.
for instance marijuana , battered in the space of one night within 4 months it prob wont be played at all.
if released 8 months later people could be like fuck i didnt think this was comin out.
whaadaya reckon , possible or am i being naive?

Yea i reckon thats somewhat true poax. Not only that but there will probably be a whole new audience for it-if it comes out later- because the audience for the music is still growing and a lot of people don't even know what songs were caned six months ago. So these songs wil be fresh to someone later and it will be a surprise to those of us who have heard these tunes.

Plus its my opinion that a good song is everlasting. I may get bored of it temporarily but I can hear it again six months to a year later and i will recall why i liked it in the first place.

I don't have any probs with a DJ playing what they want to play - they're the person stood in front of the decks, if you don't like what they do, don't listen.

Likewise, I don't have any issue with the lag-time between a tune being played on dub and it coming out on wax - I'm only ever grateful that other people have put the time and money into releasing tunes at all.


BUT, this thread is about over-caning tunes before they drop. Doesn't happen often imo but when you have tunes like Burnin being cut by EVERY DJ before a big nite, there's this danger that they'll get over-caned far too quickly. Personally if the DJ before me has dropped a big tune, I wouldn't play it in my set - I'd prefer to play something fresh to the heads.

DJ Sinc Vision wrote: Also, relating to the overkaning of certain tracks does anyone else beside me think that the DJ`s able to push the scene the most (Youngsta, Hatcha, Skream et al) don`t take the opportunity to break in a wider range of artists?

I'm in the same position as you in terms of how I can listen to dubstep. However, you have to remember that, as big DJs, those names above have much less freedom to break in a wider range of artists than someone less well known. As the big names they have big expectations from the fans - why take a risk on an unknown when you know the latest dub from Big Producer A is going to go off in the club?

You also have to remember the literal cost of cutting dubs - Youngsta said in an interview that if he's gonna spend 30 quid of his own money he has to love the tune.

This all reminds me of the Kode 9 video interview when he said he interviewed Dillinja and Lemon D a new years ago and they were complaining about how fast D&B was, and how they wasnted to built at 150bpm. With all the expectations on their shoulders I guess they were too scared to try it and fail...

(Have to say that Skream's selection recently has included a few artists outside the dubstep mainstream though)

ThinKing wrote: BUT, this thread is about over-caning tunes before they drop. Doesn't happen often imo but when you have tunes like Burnin being cut by EVERY DJ before a big nite, there's this danger that they'll get over-caned far too quickly.

Exactly, it might help if the distribution of tunes was more selective between the top DJ's, so that each one has excloose's that some of the others definitley wont have, would increase the interest in seeing each DJ.

Jubscarz wrote:

ThinKing wrote: BUT, this thread is about over-caning tunes before they drop. Doesn't happen often imo but when you have tunes like Burnin being cut by EVERY DJ before a big nite, there's this danger that they'll get over-caned far too quickly.

Exactly, it might help if the distribution of tunes was more selective between the top DJ's, so that each one has excloose's that some of the others definitley wont have, would increase the interest in seeing each DJ.

Serious man. Pinch's set at the last DMZ was the highlight of the nite for me simply because I was hearing so many fresh tunes (a lot of which had never been played out before).

definitley

for me it's 'neverland', although part of me still loves it it seemed to burn out quicker than others (conference being a good example!)

THingKing wrote

Personally if the DJ before me has dropped a big tune, I wouldn't play it in my set - I'd prefer to play something fresh to the heads.

- totally agree. All too often the same tunes get repeated because the dj only turns up 20 mins before they're on and f's off again, although it's fairly shocking when thaat's not the case and it still happens.

the947sw11 wrote

I can't help thinking it's got to the point that things like this hold a scene, and artists, back... maybe I'm getting old (oh OK, I admit it... I AM old, lol) but back in the day, many early jungle and UKG tunes were out within a couple of months of the dubs being played on the pirates... in dubstep and grime, it can take many months if not YEARS for tunes to come out.

Pre request line / M.A.H. exposure, even dubstep's biggest tunes didn't actually sell that many units, so why rush to release something that's only going to break even or make a few hundred quid. Surely better to keep the tunes as exclusives in order to raise yr profile as a dj and give people more of an incentive to attend the raves and hear it loud, thus BUILDING the scene. Just look at what DMZ did.

But, saying that, I'm as guilty as anyone for the (what must get really annoying / repetitive) "so when's [insert name read off dubplate] coming out then? type question to the big boys of the scene.

boomnoise wrote

somewhat agree. certainly now the demand has shot up, it makes a lot of sense to speed up the turnaround from dubplate to shop. and this has happend to a certain extent with recent DMZ plates.

As more and more labels come through releasing dubstep, i think the process will shorten further.

-blatantly!

DJ Sinc Vision wrote: That`s true but sometimes tunes just burn themseleves out regardless. I live in Japan and i`m also tired of Marijuana from mixes alone, though in all fairness if i heard it dropped in a club i would still skank it big style.

Shoulda been at Unit last Saturday mate, Goth Trad dropped burnin and it tore down the dancefloor, I think got a rewind too (one of the many few over the whole night)

pinch - punisher but just because of the two other tracks with those vocals on them

Fushimi wrote: As the big names they have big expectations from the fans - why take a risk on an unknown when you know the latest dub from Big Producer A is going to go off in the club?

Yeah fushimi, this is very true, i didn`t think of it in that respect.

Though there is also the possibility that because a guy like Youngsta or Hatcha plays a tune, a large number of people will take to it for that reason alone.
I`m not saying straight up that the scene has got to a point where people just bandwagon on certain tunes but as a [not so] great man once said "mans are goin on an indirect ting!"

Relating to hearing fresh tunes, i recommend everyone, if they`re not already, to check out the Shy/Skeeze/After Dark/Roguestar mixes. There are some savage fresh tunes, plus they play all the best stuff from the more well known artists, their mixes are for the most part very tight, and the sound quality is top notch so doesn`t give me Rinse FM induced earaches (maybe i`m the only one that gets those).

lol at this thread

ThinKing wrote:

Jubscarz wrote:

ThinKing wrote: BUT, this thread is about over-caning tunes before they drop. Doesn't happen often imo but when you have tunes like Burnin being cut by EVERY DJ before a big nite, there's this danger that they'll get over-caned far too quickly.

Exactly, it might help if the distribution of tunes was more selective between the top DJ's, so that each one has excloose's that some of the others definitley wont have, would increase the interest in seeing each DJ.

Serious man. Pinch's set at the last DMZ was the highlight of the nite for me simply because I was hearing so many fresh tunes (a lot of which had never been played out before).

I'm with ya Diccon.

A tune I'm bored of is Blue Notes. Heard it played out a fair bit now and I just think it's a bit boring now, I can't hear anything new now when i listen to it. The melody also doesn't sit on the riddim very well imo

Dubstep overdoses

Only natural that people are going to get sick of the same melodies and basslines after a while.