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Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:25 pm
by uncle bill
hurlingdervish wrote:i eat meat. but saying its the "natural order" is out of wack. if we could not kill animals on a genocidal scale within hours, we would not be eating meat!
we used to survive off plants and berries before we learned how to kill,
we chose to eat meat its not the natural order. other true carnivores can eat all the raw meat they want without getting sick, we cannot. that should say something about how long in evolutionary history we have eaten meat.
I don't know much about evolutionary history but our teeth appear to be designed to cope with both meat and vegetation (that's why we have "canine teeth" you know what canines live on, right?) Human beings are omnivores.
You can eat raw meat as long as it's not infected with anything horrible. Some raw fish and steak dishes are considered delicacies and it's traditional in some places to drink an animal's blood so you don't have to kill it. I don't see why the flesh of most freshly slaughtered wild animals would be at all uhealthy. Carrion / roadkill / eating meat out straight out of supermarket containers etc are probably not such good ideas though.
None of this means that anybody should eat meat but I'm pretty sure there's nothing unnatural about choosing to do so.
Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:39 pm
by raposanegra
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhlhSQ5z4V4
Don't you think this is enough to be a vegetarian?
I'm not vegetarian because I love meat but it's something I want to change... or at least know what meat am I buying...
Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:00 pm
by karmacazee
I can't stand preachy veggies, just as much as I can't stand preachy meat eaters! I don't give a fuck what you put inside your body, just don't have a go at what I put (or don't put) into mine!
Guaranteed, absolutely guaran-fucking-teed that when someone finds out that you're veggie they get on their meat eating high horse and bust out some absurd arguments to belittle you lifestyle choice...
Look at our teeth, we have canines! They for eating meat!
Some Deer have canines
Check those bad boys out!! That's the skull of a Musk Deer...
Oh, it's the natural order, we're supposed to eat meat, look at lions, they kill all the time!
A lion eats meat because it's a fucking lion and it has no choice!
Granted, without meat the human species would not have survived the cold harsh conditions of the ice-age (food, fur, shelter). But we don't live in the ice-age any more, and judging by our rapidly growing population we're not exactly struggling to survive either!
Sorry, I'm ranting now.
Point is, humans are possibly the only species on the planet that can choose what they want to eat. So I choose not to eat dead animals because I can, and because the thought of factory farming turns my stomach.
You choose to eat meat because you can, and clearly you have a better constitution for goriness than I! Nothing wrong with either choice.
Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 4:51 pm
by pets bud
It's not the teeth you need to be looking at it's the small intestine.
Lions and wolves for example are carnivores by nature. Their intestines are small and not as lengthy as ours. The small intestine allows them to dispose of waste much faster. On the other hand our intestines are so long that meat particles get stuck in there. Meat rots in you intestine, that's why your shits smell the way they do.
If any of you have kids, you have seen how big their shits are. When you get old your pipes start building up stuff around them and you cant take big craps anymore like you naturally should.
One more thing. Cheese and meat are luxury items. Bout two hundred years ago they were not readily available to the peasant class. Now everything you buy has meat and cheese in it.
I was a vegetarian last year, but i messed up and stated eating chicken again. I can't eat meat anymore as it is really chewy and greasy.
Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:10 pm
by ::g-sus::
2 pages and not one vagiterian joke? SNH you sadden me.
Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:35 pm
by missedthebus
Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:08 pm
by dubsteptim
Karmacazee wrote:I can't stand preachy veggies, just as much as I can't stand preachy meat eaters! I don't give a fuck what you put inside your body, just don't have a go at what I put (or don't put) into mine!
Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:15 pm
by parson
"Nothing will benefit human health or increase the chances for survival of life on earth as the evolution to a vegetarian diet."
Albert Einstein
Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:17 pm
by parson
ohh these are good too
"For as long as men massacre animals, they will kill each other. Indeed, he who sows the seed of murder and pain cannot reap joy and love."
Pythagoras, mathematician
"The time will come when men such as I will look upon the murder of animals as they now look on the murder of men."
Leonardo da Vinci, artist and scientist
"I am in favor of animal rights as well as human rights. That is the way of a whole human being."
Abraham Lincoln, 16th U.S. President
"You have just dined, and however scrupulously the slaughterhouse is concealed in the graceful distance of miles, there is complicity."
Ralph Waldo Emerson, essayist
"Non-violence leads to the highest ethics, which is the goal of all evolution. Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are still savages."
Thomas Edison, inventor
Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:18 pm
by parson
If slaughterhouses had glass walls, everyone would be a vegetarian. ~Paul McCartney
Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:59 pm
by bright maroon
On this note...is a great movie
...be sure to get the one directed by Jeanne LeBrune
Spanish film about a bullfighter and a doctor who cross paths and are disgusted with each other as people, but in time both chose a fanatistic sort of middle ground..based on mutual understanding..
..love the boys napping in huge windows with birdcages..
Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 7:16 pm
by hurlingdervish
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqc8JNzniUc
this song is terrible. or at least the vocals
Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 7:16 pm
by AFL
Parson wrote:If slaughterhouses had glass walls, everyone would be a vegetarian. ~Paul McCartney
What about the good folks who work in Slaughterhouses?
Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 7:19 pm
by hurlingdervish
Uncle Bill wrote:hurlingdervish wrote:i eat meat. but saying its the "natural order" is out of wack. if we could not kill animals on a genocidal scale within hours, we would not be eating meat!
we used to survive off plants and berries before we learned how to kill,
we chose to eat meat its not the natural order. other true carnivores can eat all the raw meat they want without getting sick, we cannot. that should say something about how long in evolutionary history we have eaten meat.
I don't know much about evolutionary history but our teeth appear to be designed to cope with both meat and vegetation (that's why we have "canine teeth" you know what canines live on, right?) Human beings are omnivores.
You can eat raw meat as long as it's not infected with anything horrible. Some raw fish and steak dishes are considered delicacies and it's traditional in some places to drink an animal's blood so you don't have to kill it. I don't see why the flesh of most freshly slaughtered wild animals would be at all uhealthy. Carrion / roadkill / eating meat out straight out of supermarket containers etc are probably not such good ideas though.
None of this means that anybody should eat meat but I'm pretty sure there's nothing unnatural about choosing to do so.
my point was that somewhere in our history we CHOSE to hunt for meat, meaning it was not naturally born in us.
monkeys and apes dont eat meat, we had to learn how to kill to eat. learned actions are not of nature but that doesnt mean they are unnatural
Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 7:21 pm
by parson
AFL wrote:Parson wrote:If slaughterhouses had glass walls, everyone would be a vegetarian. ~Paul McCartney
What about the good folks who work in Slaughterhouses?
what about the executioners in prisons?
some folk ain't right in the head.
but that isn't saying that people who think out of sight out of mind works for them are right in the head either tho.
here, watch this and tell me how good you feel about eating meat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhlhSQ5z4V4
i'm not saying you won't feel good. i'm just saying most people would not feel good about it if they were able to keep the reality of the situation in mind.
Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 7:36 pm
by reverend dale
God there' some stupid things on this thread..... quoting Paul McCartney and using it in the wrong context... double fail. Parson's are you being obtuse for a laugh or just because you actually are?
I was a vegetarian but would still shoot, gut and butcher animals. I wasn't a vegetarian because I felt sorry for cute little furry animals going to the slaughter, I was a vegetarian because I believe intensive farming and the methods used in modern commercial farming to be against my own personal ethics and 'stance'. So I made the choice to become vegetarian but I after a year I thought it was a bit draconian, so now I still eat meat but only meat I have killed myself or I know that has been farmed in ways that are humane as possible (organic free-range etc). I do that with most of the food I eat.
I am / was not a vegetarian because cute animals being slaughtered offended, and I was not not a vegetarian because I felt I was making up ground for meat-eaters. I wasn't. I did it for my own core values and ethics, that I have chosen to subscribe and adhere to.
Meat tastes good and so does many veggie foods.... but I don't like intensive farming. Period. Albeit fluffy animals or crops and for that reason I chose to live the way I do now - after being a veggie for a bit (who missed meat).
I read thread like this and I think that 'the rise of the idiots' is happening all over, and not just in Shoreditch.
Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 7:46 pm
by parson
Reverend Dale wrote:angry, name calling, and irrelevant.
i always get a kick out of how mad people get about challenging their right to be complete assholes who destroy the planet.
Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 7:47 pm
by reverend dale
Parson's are you being obtuse for a laugh or just because you actually are?
Parson wrote:i always get a kick out of how mad people get about challenging their right to be complete assholes who destroy the planet.
Thankyou for answering my question.
Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 7:48 pm
by parson
anytime, reactionary boy