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Mico Viejo wrote:not enuf options in the poll, but 2b honest i'm not sure that this subject lends itself well to a poll. but anyway, a discussion has been provoked...

its not that it doesnt bother me slightly, cos I'm absolutely fucking skint and every little bit counts. but as pointed out above, if u aint on p2p then u probably aint very successful, so there's an element of flattery in it. and I also agree that anyone who really wants to buy your shit (and has the money to do so) will buy your shit.

basically its just a fact of life. and i DL stuf illegally so it wld b extremely hypocritical to get irate about others DLing mine. the world has changed: adapt.

very helpful man thanks

pengwavs wrote:p2p makes making music as a whole, pointless.. especially if you aim to profit from what you do, obviously its a beeotchcicle but theres nothin we can really do about it

p2p is also a great way to get acapellas and samples to make bootlegs, which are music I SPOSE see wot i did there

Jedison wrote:I'd say no but I really don't like the voting options. It's not about not affording it but about people showing some fucken respect and making "unreleased" tunes actually mean something to select DJs.

u are right but i cant change it

futures_untold wrote:Regarding promotional mixes, you have a pertinent point. DJ's must announce each track as they play, or mention a web address where the track listing can be found. In the track listing, there needs to be the exact times each tune drops so listeners can be certain of which tune is which.

I listen to too many mixes with killer tunes, but no way of ascertaining who wrote each individual piece!

killer points, sad reality that most mixes dont do this, effective promotion

I pirate a ton of music. I buy what I can, when I can, but that's the way it is.
So, I feel the same way about my music. I hope people who believe it's worth it will buy it, if not, I hope they pirate it. Either way it's more exposure, and playing live is where all the fun's at anyway!

If I'd see someone trying to pirate my tune, I'd be proud...

My shits not good enough to be pirated, but if it was I wouldn't blame people for it. Then again producing is a hobby for me, and I haven't set making money off my music as a goal, nor do I understand how I would really feel if I had released some tunes only to find I got 10 sales meanwhile hundreds of peeps are downloading through p2p.

My feeling as of right now though is I love music, and I hope other people love my music and thats the ultimate goal in my music production. I guess Ill take any exposure I can.

rook wrote:I pirate a ton of music. I buy what I can, when I can, but that's the way it is.
So, I feel the same way about my music. I hope people who believe it's worth it will buy it, if not, I hope they pirate it. Either way it's more exposure, and playing live is where all the fun's at anyway!

Playing live is where the money is anyways, not from cd / record sales.
It would seem exposure is more important in this respect.

a lot of artists depend on record / mp3 sales / and live gigs as their income.

many of them have children

torrents are stealing money from them

thank god I have a job and don't depend on music for my livelyhood

fucking pirates

According to this report ---> http://www.ifpi.org/content/library/dig ... t-2007.pdf the trend amongst consumers is towards expecting music for free via unlimited downloads. Telecoms companies and internet service providers are supporting this model via packages that include unlimited access to a catalogue of music for a subscription fee (which is essentially just part of the line rental aqnyway).

The problem for small artists is that we are currently unable to release our content onto those networks for consumers to access. Unless you are signed to a major, it is not possible to access a potentially vast market. This means major labels and publishing companies still hold the power (and the money) in the music business.

This is really sad, as I know many of us listen to music regularly on our mobile phones. If someone into dubstep is to be detered from illigally sharing music with their friends, they need to be able to download fresh dubs from their 'unlimited access' music subscription service.

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Interestingly enough, this keynote speech from one of the head honchos of the NPD market research firm believes that downloading isn't as damaging to sales as radio. (http://makingthemogul.com/2009/03/pirac ... sic-sales/ )

Think about it, he has a point. Most people listen to the radio in the car on the way to work, or even whilst they are at work. When they get home, they are tired of listening to music and do something else instead (like watching TV or reading).

Similar to the problem of the subscription based 'free access' model mentioned above, the problem for the small artists is that independent music is usually not accepted on mainstream radio. Luckily for us, internet stations fill the void and create an alternative to the mainstream media. Unlickily for us, artists don't recieve royalties from internet radio play.

~It is my opinion that trying to earn money from music requires good advertising, easy purchasing systems and above all, good content!

imo

i can understand how some unsigned producers might think its useful to have tunes on p2p networks for more exposure... but p2p filesharing is the downfall of any scene, i wouldnt want anything to do with it. i use torrents to download films that i wouldnt want to by and thats it. never for music.

You have to look at it from different perspectives.

1) If you are a producer who just makes tunes for fun and others to enjoy, p2p is your best friend for exposure. If someone wants to go through the hassle of searching p2p and torrents for one of your tunes, you should feel flattered.

2) There are those who make tunes for a living and it's their only income source. You may think p2p is your worst enemy because every download is a lost sale, but would that person downloading even know about you otherwise?

Any exposure should be seen as something good. People are only going to purchase a tune if they really like it. If it's not that great and they can get it for free, I don't think it's hurting anyone, because they wouldn't buy it anyway.

If you're only making music to become rich, then you're in it for the wrong reasons and you're shit better be fiyah. Even then, you'll probably never make millions especially since the music isn't mainstream pop. I make music for myself and myself only. If it touches someone else, great. I don't really care how they got it or if they paid for it. Although if they did pay for it...I'd like to know who's selling it, so I can go after them

The producers who have a problem with sharing/stealing/pirating music or whatever sure as hell have better paid for their DAWs, all their plugins, and best not use a single sample, otherwise you're just a hypocrite.

FSTZ wrote:a lot of artists depend on record / mp3 sales / and live gigs as their income.

many of them have children

torrents are stealing money from them

thank god I have a job and don't depend on music for my livelyhood

fucking pirates

bit torrent is great for linux and dubstep mixes

actually, you might get mad at me for this but i did hop on that 12 inchers and EPs dubstep torrent and put it on my 5310 XpressMusic and listened to most of it a while back and thats how i really found out about dubstep besides wiki, google, lastfm, slsk, etc... i dont know what i did with the release, i didnt keep it and im not spinning any big nights with it, so i cannot see any harm... i prefer listening to good skweee/dubstep mixes on my 5310 instead of piles of vinyl

i rarely pirate other peoples tracks unless i like them a lot, and only soulseek and almost never torrents...however i do turn around and take everything i download in SlSK and import it in FL (i use it for acapellas and beats too) i do rip youtube for samples and sometimes songs because i cant afford my habit

am i evil

if someone torrents your shit yeah it sucks but you get so much more publicity its almost a valid form of marketing, if it werent for torrents i'd know fuck all about DSP and dubstep.. which is still underground where i live and nobody has made a dime yet incl me

dubfama wrote:i can understand how some unsigned producers might think its useful to have tunes on p2p networks for more exposure... but p2p filesharing is the downfall of any scene, i wouldnt want anything to do with it. i use torrents to download films that i wouldnt want to by and thats it. never for music.

are you old enough to remember mixtapes...?

if not, i guess that kind of excuses all that bs you just wrote...




the same was said about MUSICAL NOTATION... but we've got a couple hundred years experience proving they were wrong, not only did it not kill music, it made it more accesable, therefore more popular and creating JOBS for musicians. (btw, the same thing was said about RECORDS, TAPES, and CDs)





all you people moaning about it, need to wake up and figure out how to make it work for you, CAUSE IT AINT GOIN ANYWHERE

The thing is with p2p and torrents there is no interaction between the listener and the artist. If people only knew that up and coming unsigned artists are usually happy to give you a 320 or 2 if you ask nice. I don't pay for most of my music either but at least I have permission to have what I have.

Just put this up on raipdshare, sendspace, demoniod, pirates bay.... if anyone wants it

I know none of you, so I don't truly know any of your intentions in regards to why you do music. But anybody who sits there and makes tunes and thinks "I'ma eat and maintain a comfortable lifestyle off my music" needs to rethink why they started doing it in the first place.

But here's a thought. If you want that sort of exposure, you can do the whole Diary of An Afro Warrior business with the speech synthesizer voice all over it. Throw the voice over a track or two, throw it on shit like rapidshare yourself. I found it slightly annoying, but when I got that album I assumed it would be all over the actual albu. Turns out it was not. pretty good idea I thought.


And lol @ torrents. one word.

FILESTUBE

HAACK wrote:

FSTZ wrote:c'mon man

this thread is lame

of course people care

especially label owners

The first thing I ever got released digitally (under another alias) was uploaded to a torrent network within days.


I only actually sold 17 or so copies of the release.

I wonder how many people downloaded it via the torrent website?

Was I bummed? No, I kinda chuckled. I never make music for the purpose of charging people for it. Music isnt my full time job nor profession. So any money made is a happy bonus.

online p2p networks are one of the things that has helped to spread dubstep across the world. Record companies who are just out to make money will get anal about people 'illegally' downloading their artists tunes but i dont think it is a bad thing - if i was a well off dubstep artist, i wouldnt mind if people were downloading my tunes, so long as they were hearing them

The_Dza88 wrote:
Just put this up on raipdshare, sendspace, demoniod, pirates bay.... if anyone wants it

Awesome.