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killtone wrote:We actually didn't bother with a central distributor as there's only a handful of specialist shops left in the UK, a small enough number for you to deal directly to them. It's a lot of work but you're cutting out another link in the chain.

And that's probably also why you can't find our records anywhere

Wonder if there are any more threads about vinyl pressing plants? That was our main problem but we got a great job done by breed in Sheffield.

I don't agree with you saying there's only a few specialist shops - yes you've got Chemical, Redeye, Boomkat, SOTU, Blackmarket etc, but it's the small shops in the UK and worldwide that sell the vast majority of dubstep records. It may only be small amounts in each shop, but they're still important if you want your label to become recognisable.

Also, there are a few threads about pressing plants (try the Search function!), but seeing as there aren't many around these days, there's not much to discuss.

ST Holdings won't take many new labels/artists on, especially for a P&D deal - look to Z Audio or Nu Urban or even Load Media and see if they can help.

ThinKing wrote:

killtone wrote:We actually didn't bother with a central distributor as there's only a handful of specialist shops left in the UK, a small enough number for you to deal directly to them. It's a lot of work but you're cutting out another link in the chain.

And that's probably also why you can't find our records anywhere

Wonder if there are any more threads about vinyl pressing plants? That was our main problem but we got a great job done by breed in Sheffield.

I don't agree with you saying there's only a few specialist shops - yes you've got Chemical, Redeye, Boomkat, SOTU, Blackmarket etc, but it's the small shops in the UK and worldwide that sell the vast majority of dubstep records. It may only be small amounts in each shop, but they're still important if you want your label to become recognisable.

Also, there are a few threads about pressing plants (try the Search function!), but seeing as there aren't many around these days, there's not much to discuss.

ST Holdings won't take many new labels/artists on, especially for a P&D deal - look to Z Audio or Nu Urban or even Load Media and see if they can help.

too true, there's so many smaller shops that do a great job too My local (Drop Records in Bath) does a wicked job in stocking plenty of upfront tunes

ThinKing wrote:

killtone wrote:We actually didn't bother with a central distributor as there's only a handful of specialist shops left in the UK, a small enough number for you to deal directly to them. It's a lot of work but you're cutting out another link in the chain.

And that's probably also why you can't find our records anywhere

Wonder if there are any more threads about vinyl pressing plants? That was our main problem but we got a great job done by breed in Sheffield.

I don't agree with you saying there's only a few specialist shops - yes you've got Chemical, Redeye, Boomkat, SOTU, Blackmarket etc, but it's the small shops in the UK and worldwide that sell the vast majority of dubstep records. It may only be small amounts in each shop, but they're still important if you want your label to become recognisable.

Also, there are a few threads about pressing plants (try the Search function!), but seeing as there aren't many around these days, there's not much to discuss.

ST Holdings won't take many new labels/artists on, especially for a P&D deal - look to Z Audio or Nu Urban or even Load Media and see if they can help.

^all good..

also, check out www.rolldabeats.com, this will give you loads of info about pressing plants, distributors, blah blah blah (actually a really good resource for etchings, cat no's, contacts, that sort of shit...)

Autopilot wrote:Sausage Tunnel Records

this

Autopilot wrote:Sausage Tunnel Records

bagged!

Whoami, if you do go through with this, you have my blade as a producer & graphic/web designer. It doesn't have to be called Sausage Tunnel Records, either.

DJ Ill Kid 505 wrote:

Autopilot wrote:Sausage Tunnel Records

bagged!

Warfare wrote:register releases with the MCPS to

lol like any small label is going to pay MCPS ppl are lucky to get an advance these days that dissapears if MCPS get their greasy hand on your money sit on it for 2 years then give it back to you minus an admin charge for doing....fuk all!

Rob Sparx wrote:

Warfare wrote:register releases with the MCPS to

lol like any small label is going to pay MCPS ppl are lucky to get an advance these days that dissapears if MCPS get their greasy hand on your money sit on it for 2 years then give it back to you minus an admin charge for doing....fuk all!

well they should! any label that isn't paying MCPS are cowboys, they clearly are not concerned about their artists interests and i'd fuck them off and release with someone more professional.

Rob Sparx wrote:

Warfare wrote:register releases with the MCPS to

lol like any small label is going to pay MCPS ppl are lucky to get an advance these days that dissapears if MCPS get their greasy hand on your money sit on it for 2 years then give it back to you minus an admin charge for doing....fuk all!

Yeah man, I know the pros & cons of MCPS, truss me

I know that loads of people dont do it, and I'm not a fan of it at all, but believe me that if you get 30 releases down the line and they email you, ouch

p.s. big ups to yourself man, plenty of your tunes in my bag respect

p.s. I do think MCPS can be damaging to smaller labels, they should do a reduced rate or summit for small presses maybe, double edged sword that one

setspeed wrote:

Rob Sparx wrote:

Warfare wrote:register releases with the MCPS to

lol like any small label is going to pay MCPS ppl are lucky to get an advance these days that dissapears if MCPS get their greasy hand on your money sit on it for 2 years then give it back to you minus an admin charge for doing....fuk all!

well they should! any label that isn't paying MCPS are cowboys, they clearly are not concerned about their artists interests and i'd fuck them off and release with someone more professional.

I do this full time so I know how things work in the real world - do you really think small labels are going to want to pay hundred of £ out on a tune before its even been made? And what do you think artists would rather have, a small advance or to see that small advance going to MCPS instead of themselves as smaller labels usually can't affford to pay both. Its a different story if all your music comes out on larger labels who routinely pay MCPS but many of those labels will make you sign with their publisher anyway so whether you are a member of MCPS or not is irrelevant as a non member will still collect MCPS via the publisher. Also given how little sales are these days its likely that a lot of your income will sit with MCPS for years which makes it impossible to get enough money to work as a fulltime producer unless you are writing cheese (which I doubt many people on this forum are going to want to do).

I'm just trying to make ppl aware of the potential problems they can face by joining MCPS and also the potential problems labels can have when an artist who has released loads of tunes on their label and been paid fairly joins MCPS or a publisher and retrospectively collects their MCPS thereby bankrupting the label! Don't you see the problem? A label wants to pay their artists 50% of profit (standard agreement) whether MCPS is involved or not so if they have already paid that to the artist and the artist years later wants a whole load more money then its actually the artist that is ripping off the label as the label would never have paid them as much money in the 1st place had they known MCPS would be involved.

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Warfare wrote:

Rob Sparx wrote:

Warfare wrote:register releases with the MCPS to

lol like any small label is going to pay MCPS ppl are lucky to get an advance these days that dissapears if MCPS get their greasy hand on your money sit on it for 2 years then give it back to you minus an admin charge for doing....fuk all!

Yeah man, I know the pros & cons of MCPS, truss me

I know that loads of people dont do it, and I'm not a fan of it at all, but believe me that if you get 30 releases down the line and they email you, ouch

p.s. big ups to yourself man, plenty of your tunes in my bag respect

Thanx man glad u like the tunes. I'm gonna get my artists to sign away MCPS rights if they have a sizeable collection of tunes on my labels to avoid this potential situation. What happens sometimes is an artist signs to a major label signs away their entire life's MCPS rights in the small print of a contract without even realising it then the suits go to work and fuk over some small label who possibly didn't even know what MCPS was! I've known producers who can't get on any labels after they've taken one to the cleaners as no one want to have to deal with this sort of shit, for 30 releases it could be as much as £10,000!

Rob Sparx wrote:

Warfare wrote:

Rob Sparx wrote:

Warfare wrote:register releases with the MCPS to

lol like any small label is going to pay MCPS ppl are lucky to get an advance these days that dissapears if MCPS get their greasy hand on your money sit on it for 2 years then give it back to you minus an admin charge for doing....fuk all!

Yeah man, I know the pros & cons of MCPS, truss me

I know that loads of people dont do it, and I'm not a fan of it at all, but believe me that if you get 30 releases down the line and they email you, ouch

p.s. big ups to yourself man, plenty of your tunes in my bag respect

Thanx man glad u like the tunes. I'm gonna get my artists to sign away MCPS rights if they have a sizeable collection of tunes on my labels to avoid this potential situation. What happens sometimes is an artist signs to a major label signs away their entire life's MCPS rights in the small print of a contract without even realising it then the suits go to work and fuk over some small label who possibly didn't even know what MCPS was! I've known producers who can't get on any labels after they've taken one to the cleaners as no one want to have to deal with this sort of shit, for 30 releases it could be as much as £10,000!

yeah, that's the trouble haha

glad this came out, cos it's worth noting to people who dont know much about it
a better suggestion would be maybe to check wether people you're signing are registered initially and make some kind of agreement

Rob Sparx wrote:

setspeed wrote:

Rob Sparx wrote:

Warfare wrote:register releases with the MCPS to

lol like any small label is going to pay MCPS ppl are lucky to get an advance these days that dissapears if MCPS get their greasy hand on your money sit on it for 2 years then give it back to you minus an admin charge for doing....fuk all!

well they should! any label that isn't paying MCPS are cowboys, they clearly are not concerned about their artists interests and i'd fuck them off and release with someone more professional.

I do this full time so I know how things work in the real world - do you really think small labels are going to want to pay hundred of £ out on a tune before its even been made? And what do you think artists would rather have, a small advance or to see that small advance going to MCPS instead of themselves as smaller labels usually can't affford to pay both. Its a different story if all your music comes out on larger labels who routinely pay MCPS but many of those labels will make you sign with their publisher anyway so whether you are a member of MCPS or not is irrelevant as a non member will still collect MCPS via the publisher. Also given how little sales are these days its likely that a lot of your income will sit with MCPS for years which makes it impossible to get enough money to work as a fulltime producer unless you are writing cheese (which I doubt many people on this forum are going to want to do).

I'm just trying to make ppl aware of the potential problems they can face by joining MCPS and also the potential problems labels can have when an artist who has released loads of tunes on their label and been paid fairly joins MCPS or a publisher and retrospectively collects their MCPS thereby bankrupting the label! Don't you see the problem? A label wants to pay their artists 50% of profit (standard agreement) whether MCPS is involved or not so if they have already paid that to the artist and the artist years later wants a whole load more money then its actually the artist that is ripping off the label as the label would never have paid them as much money in the 1st place had they known MCPS would be involved.

fair enough.

i do it full time too, although i got on the MCPS straight away so there wasn't any retrospective collecting of monies.

hadn't heard of the whole 'label being hit for 10 releases in one go' thing - but i was always under the impression that pressing plants would refuse to cut if you didn't have proof of MCPS?

still though, i've released on over 20 labels over the years and in my experience, the ones who don't pay MCPS have been the same ones who tell you your track did 500 less than it did, or that they spent 300 on promotion for a run of 1000....

Warfare wrote:

Rob Sparx wrote:

Warfare wrote:

Rob Sparx wrote:

Warfare wrote:register releases with the MCPS to

lol like any small label is going to pay MCPS ppl are lucky to get an advance these days that dissapears if MCPS get their greasy hand on your money sit on it for 2 years then give it back to you minus an admin charge for doing....fuk all!

Yeah man, I know the pros & cons of MCPS, truss me

I know that loads of people dont do it, and I'm not a fan of it at all, but believe me that if you get 30 releases down the line and they email you, ouch

p.s. big ups to yourself man, plenty of your tunes in my bag respect

Thanx man glad u like the tunes. I'm gonna get my artists to sign away MCPS rights if they have a sizeable collection of tunes on my labels to avoid this potential situation. What happens sometimes is an artist signs to a major label signs away their entire life's MCPS rights in the small print of a contract without even realising it then the suits go to work and fuk over some small label who possibly didn't even know what MCPS was! I've known producers who can't get on any labels after they've taken one to the cleaners as no one want to have to deal with this sort of shit, for 30 releases it could be as much as £10,000!

yeah, that's the trouble haha

glad this came out, cos it's worth noting to people who dont know much about it
a better suggestion would be maybe to check wether people you're signing are registered initially and make some kind of agreement

That was the 1st thing I asked! No-ones registered at the moment I'll get some agreements sorted out soon

Hope we haven't put 'whoami' off starting a label