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Corpsey wrote:Not to get into this conversation but it's quite interesting because I've been reading about the Blues recently and the way black and white genres have interacted in the formation of Blues, Ragtime and so on is quite interesting. For example, Blues is (to simplify) a combination of black field hollers and work songs and European ballad form. Then with ragtime, it started as black musicians imitating white musicians who had been originally imitating black musicians- and then eventually ragtime became imitated by white musicians!

I think there has been on a general level a historical tendency of white audiences going for diluted forms of black music, and perhaps eventually shifting those forms of music on a popular commercial level into that dilution.

But to be honest I think people might dislike grime and like dubstep for any number of reasons. You might just not like MCs, for example. Or it might be too frentic for you. It's a shame, but understandable, that people will hear a few popular grime tunes and base their assumptions about grime as a whole on those few tunes, or make very quick judgements and mentally set them in stone.

elgato wrote: dont get me wrong, i think there are aspects of what you're saying which are very worth saying, but presentation is key if you want to make people think. it is just a difference of opinion though, different styles or whatever, but i dont see it as a productive approach. but then you have got people chatting!

Bedward wrote:techno is house made properly?

jazz is rhythm & blues made properly?

Alex bk-bk wrote:innit wot about all the producers who piss all over the boundary between the two! Your Plasticmans, Wileys, Geeneuses, yr Wonders??

seperatism is gonna be the end of this thing

necta selecta wrote:Agreed this is a pointless debate but that's hardly rare on a forum like this, so....

1) Some of the sh!t geenius was dropping at fwd (3/11/07) was just so bang in the middle, like the947sw11 said, the best of both.

2) I can see how request line and (more so) tapped seem like grimy dubstep but it's more stuff like 'what' or 'old skool' or 'star wars' that I find harder to place as one or the other.

3) I'm loving the grimy vibe in some of the new d1 sh!t youngs has been playing lately!

4) I don't understand how people who are "really into music" can try and present an arguement that one ENTIRE genre is better that another.

metalboxproducts wrote:And i thought the original post was written to wind people up. How wrong was I.

Fushimi wrote:When the poster said "dubstep is grime made properly", doesn't that just mean that the snare sounds in grime are usually a bit weedy and sound like they're straight off an 80's drum machine? From that small difference a whole world of arguments is made.

naughty child wrote:the same thing was said about the jungle, drum&bass debate it's all the same thing man. just enjoy it for what it is

Foamo wrote:DUBSTEP IS GRIME WITH REVERB




nah jokes.. grimes produced for lyrics etc. thats why its simple. U cant spit verses over dubstep..

narcossist wrote:If you choose to create a divide between genres [not just talking dubstep or grime] and ignore some in preference of others your just shooting yrself in the foot when it comes to finding good tunes......

Kamaflage wrote:

necta selecta wrote:
Skream, Benga, Mystikz make decent tracks but I ain't hearing much decent shit from anyone else yet... Maybe you can point me towards some phat shit instead of this sleepy stuff everyones dropping.