mosh pits & dubstep

[_cheef_]

I am of the personal opinion, that I have to enjoy music individually, it's there for me and me alone. I connect with it one on one. I don't involve other people in my experience of it. I can feed of them yes, but they will never stand between me and the music. My space, my time, just there's bigger systems, bigger spaces, visuals to enjoy that aren't there in my room.

Moshing obviously isn't a part of this at it involves others (often not in a good way). If you, as an artist, need people to be all hectic and frantic instead of just properly enjoying your music, you're in it for a different reason than I am.


Just me though, my philosophy and my way of enjoying things. I go to plenty of metal gigs (mostly drone/stoner/... though) and I never mosh there either, you'll find me in exactly the same spot and in exactly the same state.

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[charliefoy]

Trash Talk are shit. Overrated hipster shit.

Not overrated, although i dont listen to that anymore. Saw them like 3 years ago though so i dunno what theyre doing now

[babylonburn]

I am of the personal opinion, that I have to enjoy music individually, it's there for me and me alone. I connect with it one on one. I don't involve other people in my experience of it. I can feed of them yes, but they will never stand between me and the music. My space, my time, just there's bigger systems, bigger spaces, visuals to enjoy that aren't there in my room.

Really? No offence but one of the best things about "dance music" for want of a better phrase, is that its made for the communal experience, its designed to make a crowd move, its usually not a consideration if it sounds good on someones headphones or whatever (although thats always an added bonus, and dont get me wrong I listen to a lot of stuff at home on headphones myself, but hopefully you see my point).

Maybe its to do with people coming from different ends of the telescope (edit: in reference to moshing), Im always vaguely shocked that people come to dubstep through metal, it just seems weird to me as I just see dubstep as part as the 'num (where moshing and general aggro just spoils the vibe for a lot of people and has never been part of the scene) and find it hard to associate it with metal where that vibe seems more prevalent

<shrugs>

[joeki]

I generally hate orchestration, set patterns, forcing something on someone...I mean it should be everyone free to enjoy themselves in the way they see fit. Also one of the reasons bro-step doesn't do anything for me:
It's all become so formulaic, not the music per se, but the way it gets experienced: all this communal behaviour orchestrated to drops. I mean, sometimes it feels as though some guy's on the stage yelling people "let me see your hands", "all right now lets mosh", "ok next faze, let's see you do that d&b step" fuck all that, don't want it don't need it, MC's are actually doing this these days.

Sure it is nice to have a chat to people and be with friends. But honestly, when I'm watching a set, I might say it to my friends when I'm liking a tune, I might give a shout when a classic comes on, or ask them if they need anything from the bar, but I generally keep to myself pretty much all of the time.
I can really feed of other people enjoying themselves on the floor though, puts a smile on my face. But I'd rather they do so without bothering me and others.

[Shum]

It's all become so formulaic, not the music per se, but the way it gets experienced: all this communal behaviour orchestrated to drops.

Reminded me of:

[ultraspatial]

Maybe its to do with people coming from different ends of the telescope (edit: in reference to moshing), Im always vaguely shocked that people come to dubstep through metal, it just seems weird to me as I just see dubstep as part as the 'num (where moshing and general aggro just spoils the vibe for a lot of people and has never been part of the scene) and find it hard to associate it with metal where that vibe seems more prevalent

It's all about exposure though. You don't really get into dubstep through metal. The closest thing to dubstep in metal are big chocolate remixes for deathcore bands...

[garethom]

Maybe its to do with people coming from different ends of the telescope (edit: in reference to moshing), Im always vaguely shocked that people come to dubstep through metal, it just seems weird to me as I just see dubstep as part as the 'num (where moshing and general aggro just spoils the vibe for a lot of people and has never been part of the scene) and find it hard to associate it with metal where that vibe seems more prevalent

It's all about exposure though. You don't really get into dubstep through metal. The closest thing to dubstep in metal are big chocolate remixes for deathcore bands...

I'd say 95% of people I know that like brostep were metal fans (and most of them are in bands). For most of them, it's their first exposure to electronic music too, and I think that's largely to blame for the 'where's the drop?' attitude some brostep fans seem to have to all electronic music (Flim included )

[syrup]

I generally hate orchestration, set patterns, forcing something on someone...I mean it should be everyone free to enjoy themselves in the way they see fit. Also one of the reasons bro-step doesn't do anything for me:
It's all become so formulaic, not the music per se, but the way it gets experienced: all this communal behaviour orchestrated to drops. I mean, sometimes it feels as though some guy's on the stage yelling people "let me see your hands", "all right now lets mosh", "ok next faze, let's see you do that d&b step" fuck all that, don't want it don't need it, MC's are actually doing this these days.

Sure it is nice to have a chat to people and be with friends. But honestly, when I'm watching a set, I might say it to my friends when I'm liking a tune, I might give a shout when a classic comes on, or ask them if they need anything from the bar, but I generally keep to myself pretty much all of the time.
I can really feed of other people enjoying themselves on the floor though, puts a smile on my face. But I'd rather they do so without bothering me and others.

[ultraspatial]

Maybe its to do with people coming from different ends of the telescope (edit: in reference to moshing), Im always vaguely shocked that people come to dubstep through metal, it just seems weird to me as I just see dubstep as part as the 'num (where moshing and general aggro just spoils the vibe for a lot of people and has never been part of the scene) and find it hard to associate it with metal where that vibe seems more prevalent

It's all about exposure though. You don't really get into dubstep through metal. The closest thing to dubstep in metal are big chocolate remixes for deathcore bands...

I'd say 95% of people I know that like brostep were metal fans (and most of them are in bands). For most of them, it's their first exposure to electronic music too, and I think that's largely to blame for the 'where's the drop?' attitude some brostep fans seem to have to all electronic music (Flim included )

Well yeah, but you don't get into dubstep through metal because there's no real link between the two, imo. Except Kevin Martin maybe.

[joeki]

I agree with Ultraspatial, the "closest" link between metal and dubstep is in the industrial area for me, Kevin Martin, Justbin Broadrick, Mick Harris, autechre

Though I understand that the concept of a 'drop' for a teenage kid is similar to a 'breakdown' in generic mosh/metalcore. So I understand where some of the sentiment comes from.

[samdam1]

Moshing great if you go to hardcore/metalcore gigs and the crowd is going nuts... Lots of that over here in Sydney Australia! It's MENTAL!

But i recently went to a concert with Nick Thayer, Porter Robinson and Skrillex and the majority of it was dubstep and drum and bass, ofcourse electro house mainly for Porter though. And everyone was just dancing like crazy, everyones hands in the air, but no like circle pits or anything, I don't think theres much point at these soughts of concerts. I like to just get in there with the flow.

[ultraspatial]

Though I understand that the concept of a 'drop' for a teenage kid is similar to a 'breakdown' in generic mosh/metalcore. So I understand where some of the sentiment comes from.

Problem is some bands decided to make 3 min "songs" comprised solely of breakdowns for their meathead fans.


There is some generic stuff that's alright. But this is just shit.

[garethom]

Maybe its to do with people coming from different ends of the telescope (edit: in reference to moshing), Im always vaguely shocked that people come to dubstep through metal, it just seems weird to me as I just see dubstep as part as the 'num (where moshing and general aggro just spoils the vibe for a lot of people and has never been part of the scene) and find it hard to associate it with metal where that vibe seems more prevalent

It's all about exposure though. You don't really get into dubstep through metal. The closest thing to dubstep in metal are big chocolate remixes for deathcore bands...

I'd say 95% of people I know that like brostep were metal fans (and most of them are in bands). For most of them, it's their first exposure to electronic music too, and I think that's largely to blame for the 'where's the drop?' attitude some brostep fans seem to have to all electronic music (Flim included )

Well yeah, but you don't get into dubstep through metal because there's no real link between the two, imo. Except Kevin Martin maybe.

I dunno, I'm just going by what I've seen. There is a lot of shitty brostep that sounds just like electronic versions of the shitty metal they were listening to. I think it's easy to see the progression, especially with all the remixes of shitty metal bands that are around now.

[_cheef_]

I generally hate orchestration, set patterns, forcing something on someone...I mean it should be everyone free to enjoy themselves in the way they see fit. Also one of the reasons bro-step doesn't do anything for me:
It's all become so formulaic, not the music per se, but the way it gets experienced: all this communal behaviour orchestrated to drops. I mean, sometimes it feels as though some guy's on the stage yelling people "let me see your hands", "all right now lets mosh", "ok next faze, let's see you do that d&b step" fuck all that, don't want it don't need it, MC's are actually doing this these days.

Sure it is nice to have a chat to people and be with friends. But honestly, when I'm watching a set, I might say it to my friends when I'm liking a tune, I might give a shout when a classic comes on, or ask them if they need anything from the bar, but I generally keep to myself pretty much all of the time.
I can really feed of other people enjoying themselves on the floor though, puts a smile on my face. But I'd rather they do so without bothering me and others.

you sound just like me

I can understand feeding off the crowd...reminds me of a show I went to at a smaller venue; sold out show packed with people rolling...the second hand e-buzz I got was quite nice, but I much prefer my own space to vibe out.