Illegally Downloading Music

[collige]

i challenge you to find any rare dance music left on the planet right now that you can't hear a clip of or sample on youtube/itunes/amazon/surus, or any of the other stores, before even going to torrents or the net in general to pirate it.

that's one part of the pro-piracy argument thats just void. 5 years ago, i would say it had some grounds, but now...no way. there's absolutely no grounds left to stand on in terms of not being able to sample/hear music you really want to check out first, before buying.

Plenty of old vinyl only releases are only on youtube or up for pirate on the internet. Seeing as you hate unauthorized Youtube uploading channels, I'll exclude those. Given that, where can I legally listen to, say, Loefah - Jazz Lick?

[AllNightDayDream]

and i could post a million times about having a pony, but it doesn't make it true. if you really believe that a majority of people who download music illegally take the time and money to purchase the music they already own just because they like it, you are delusional. sure there might be a few who do this, but only those you would find on a music message board, as they are already nerding out to music. to pretend like this is the case across the board is crazy talk and you know it.

Doesn't make the opposite true, either. Looking at the data, Computer says no. To make it simpler, the kind of people who would pirate an early EL-B release for example aren't the kind of people that don't buy music. People who download bruno mars or lil wayne? Sure.

@Allnight.. so who are some of the artists on here you have pirated 'for quality control purposes' or whatever you feel is acceptable?

being justified you could maybe list a few head held high?

To what end? I don't like to talk smack about artists even if i'm not feeling their tunes, but there are plenty of releases I've heard about, downloaded, then deleted and completely forgot about as they were uninteresting to me. Conversely, people like Burial, Vaccine, Martyn, Baths, Toro Y Moi, Shabazz Palaces, Bonobo, Emancipator, DJ Krush, and loads more I would download, get hit real hard by, then commit to memory or lists to purchase them later, as I was unemployed at the time. Now, whenever I go out to the shops in the city, it's difficult not to dish out at least $50 bucks every trip because there's loads of physicals I want.

[brasco]

it makes no sense to window shop by downloading a track illegally, when you can hear it on beatport/juno before committing to purchase. i don't understand why that is such a difficult concept?

if you pirate a full 320, why would you then bother buying it?

[AllNightDayDream]

Because you value it. Why is that such a difficult concept?

[Regret]

Stuff like UK Bass (dubstep, garage, jungle - you name it) it's much more closely knit imo. The big labels owners of the underground world are us. We are the producers, DJs, fans, heads, whatever, it's all intertwined, and let's face it, most of the producers and DJs are stuck in office/factory jobs struggling to pay bills like the rest of us. So I'll always buy and support anything that I enjoy in the UK scene (America and other places too - DJG) that isn't being raped and pillaged by big name record companies (Sony etc).

On the other hand, I downloaded that Jessie J for my sister last week. The lyrics for price-tag makes it all better.

[garethom]

Stuff like UK Bass (dubstep, garage, jungle - you name it) it's much more closely knit imo. The big labels owners of the underground world are us. We are the producers, DJs, fans, heads, whatever, it's all intertwined, and let's face it, most of the producers and DJs are stuck in office/factory jobs struggling to pay bills like the rest of us.

This is why I'll always help out. No, my purchases alone won't mean some guy or girl can "live the dream" and let their music pay the bills, but I might make their day a little better. Always pay what I'd expect to pay at an online shop for pay-what-you-like downloads. There are some people out there that pay A LOT for those downloads, big up to those who give a little back to those who gave a little to them.

Community.

[brasco]

Because you value it. Why is that such a difficult concept?

you keep making these moral justifications on the basis that the bulk of illegal downloaders sit at home with your ideals, very few people who download a decent version of a track would ever then delete and go buy it.

they don't give a fuck about the music, its just an intangible product swapped and deleted effortlessly on a computer. And why should they care about the artist, they make money off those idiots who actually buy their music.

Just because the internet has given you the anonymity to pretty much steal content at ease, doesn't make it right.

[Liam92]

What confuses me about piracy is, I'm guessing a number of these anti-piracy posters here possibly pirate tv shows/films on a regular basis but when it comes to music it's a much bigger offense

[wolf89]

Stuff like UK Bass (dubstep, garage, jungle - you name it) it's much more closely knit imo. The big labels owners of the underground world are us. We are the producers, DJs, fans, heads, whatever, it's all intertwined, and let's face it, most of the producers and DJs are stuck in office/factory jobs struggling to pay bills like the rest of us. So I'll always buy and support anything that I enjoy in the UK scene (America and other places too - DJG) that isn't being raped and pillaged by big name record companies (Sony etc).

On the other hand, I downloaded that Jessie J for my sister last week. The lyrics for price-tag makes it all better.

EDIT: Nevermind what I was gonna say about Price Tag. Not the place to bring it up

[wearecorsairs]

What confuses me about piracy is, I'm guessing a number of these anti-piracy posters here possibly pirate tv shows/films on a regular basis but when it comes to music it's a much bigger offense

yeah. well i've given up anyway
circles, straw men, etc

and no before anymore people quote me i don't give a fuck about your opinion lol
^ just like you don't give a fuck about mine

[wolf89]

I don't pirate movies either by the way

I actually want to watch a proper dvd/vhs/blu-ray on a proper tv.

[garethom]

I don't pirate movies either by the way

I actually want to watch a proper dvd/vhs/blu-ray on a proper tv.

This. Plus, if you buy in the constant sales that places seem to have, DVDs are well cheap. Can't remember the last time I paid more than a fiver for a DVD.

[leyenda]

I don't pirate movies either by the way

I actually want to watch a proper dvd/vhs/blu-ray on a proper tv.

This. Plus, if you buy in the constant sales that places seem to have, DVDs are well cheap. Can't remember the last time I paid more than a fiver for a DVD.

CEX is the one.

EDIT: Also, @wolf You don't find the quality of VHS to be really poor? I can't believe we used to find it acceptable to be honest

[Regret]

I don't pirate movies either by the way

I actually want to watch a proper dvd/vhs/blu-ray on a proper tv.

This. Plus, if you buy in the constant sales that places seem to have, DVDs are well cheap. Can't remember the last time I paid more than a fiver for a DVD.

CEX is the one.

EDIT: Also, @wolf You don't find the quality of VHS to be really poor? I can't believe we used to find it acceptable to be honest

I recently watched Rocky First Blood - III on VHS and it was badass. I don't see why I threw out my VHS player now , and you can always judge the character of someone if they rewind the tape before putting it back.

[Mr Hyde]

I don't pirate movies either by the way

I actually want to watch a proper dvd/vhs/blu-ray on a proper tv.

This. Plus, if you buy in the constant sales that places seem to have, DVDs are well cheap. Can't remember the last time I paid more than a fiver for a DVD.

CEX is the one.

How do any second hand sale help the artist though? I guess it's been bought legit once so the artist/label gets some ££, but there seems to be no complaints about second hand shops or people selling on ebay. Copying a CD off a friend that bought it seems to be no better for the artists than buying the CD off a friend- but one is frowned upon and illegal, the other even has hight street shops doing it and making profit.

[wearecorsairs]

got loads of shit on VHS. loads of old skate videos and that. rather have that than a DVD that some tnuc can copy onto his computer!

[garethom]

I don't pirate movies either by the way

I actually want to watch a proper dvd/vhs/blu-ray on a proper tv.

This. Plus, if you buy in the constant sales that places seem to have, DVDs are well cheap. Can't remember the last time I paid more than a fiver for a DVD.

CEX is the one.

How do any second hand sale help the artist though? I guess it's been bought legit once so the artist/label gets some ££, but there seems to be no complaints about second hand shops or people selling on ebay. Copying a CD off a friend that bought it seems to be no better for the artists than buying the CD off a friend- but one is frowned upon and illegal, the other even has hight street shops doing it and making profit.

I guess it's just the levels of ownership. If Person A didn't make a copy of a CD/Vinyl, and sold it to Person B, then one person paid for it, one person owns it still. But if you download a release, save it and then send it to loads of people, then one person paid for it, infinite people own it. I guess if you copied it to your mate, and then deleted it off your hard drive, then that'd be the same. Can't imagine many people doing that.

[leyenda]

I don't pirate movies either by the way

I actually want to watch a proper dvd/vhs/blu-ray on a proper tv.

This. Plus, if you buy in the constant sales that places seem to have, DVDs are well cheap. Can't remember the last time I paid more than a fiver for a DVD.

CEX is the one.

How do any second hand sale help the artist though? I guess it's been bought legit once so the artist/label gets some ££, but there seems to be no complaints about second hand shops or people selling on ebay. Copying a CD off a friend that bought it seems to be no better for the artists than buying the CD off a friend- but one is frowned upon and illegal, the other even has hight street shops doing it and making profit.

Well, they don't but the original person has forfeited their opportunity to enjoy said DVD/CD. Therefore in some sense you could say the artist still has the same number of people actively wanting to enjoy their product and so they are owed the same amount of money. I know that's worded badly but do you see where I'm coming from?

Second hand shops like CEX also have a tendency to have awesome older films which may well not be stocked in regular retail outlets as they are understandably mostly pushing the latest films whether blockbusters or otherwise.

[Mr Hyde]

^^^^^
yeah, that makes sense (and yeah I'm always snooping around CEX and music exchanges- quality stuff a lot of the time, just a bit surprised the film/music industry has never kicked up any fuss over it)

[garethom]

^^^^^
yeah, that makes sense (and yeah I'm always snooping around CEX and music exchanges- quality stuff a lot of the time, just a bit surprised the film/music industry has never kicked up any fuss over it)

Yeah, defo, that is surprising.