magma wrote:Seriously though... rap is better for you if you believe they really did everything they said? It's not the beats and rhymes you care about? It's the pedigree of the person saying them? You want them to be that unpleasant and successful?!
I've never understood the fascination with "keeping it real". I think I like it that way too. I'd be so disappointed all the time if I wanted my rappers to do everything they say. Come to think of it, "Realness" is pretty much the only reason 50 Cent was allowed to fuck rap in the arse for about 4 years. But oooooh, he REALLY GOT SHOT AND DEALT DRUGS, GUIIIIIZEE! Fuck the content, DUDE CAN'T RAP PROPERLY BECAUSE HE'S BEEN SHOT.... THIS IS SOO FUCKING COOL!
Fuck realness.
Yes. The best rappers are authentic ones. Zro is still the dopest thing around and its because lyrically he's a poet speaking about his environment. Not from the outside looking in
Of course I grew up on biggie and pac and ugk. My standard is a lot higher than that dudes got a scruffy voice
It really depends what I'm after in a record. Obviously if someone is "real" they might be more likely to write a good poem about it, but some people are just lyrical beasts whether they came from the suburbs or not. And that conversation was about BANGERS, do I give a fuck if the guy saying he's gonna shoot up the club is real? That's ridiculous. We're not talking about ghetto poetry here, we're talking about hilariously loud ignorance. Anyone can do that.
I grew up on Pac too, but Pac didn't meet Brenda in the ghetto... dude was studying ballet in Baltimore as soon as he was old enough. His Mum might've been mental, but she tried her hardest to keep him away from gangbanging. He just happened to also have a lyrical talent and enough ghetto footing to understand the topics he rapped about.... and, of course, a fascination with gang/thug life that led him into being way too "real" and finally got him killed. Real is really overrated.
Biggie's Mum's said plenty of times in interviews that when she heard the "landlord dissed us//Christmas missed us//birthdays worst days" lines she was gutted because she might've been in the ghetto, but she kept a good home. Biggie was probably realer than Pac, but Pac told waaaayyy better stories about "real" shit. He'd been to acting school. Funny that.
Everyone's acting a bit. There's no point in getting obsessive about it - did the tune move you? Cool.
Meus equus tuo altior est
"Let me eat when I'm hungry, let me drink when I'm dry.
Give me dollars when I'm hard up, religion when I die."
nowaysj wrote:I wholeheartedly believe that Michael Brown's mother and father killed him.
magma wrote:Seriously though... rap is better for you if you believe they really did everything they said? It's not the beats and rhymes you care about? It's the pedigree of the person saying them? You want them to be that unpleasant and successful?!
I've never understood the fascination with "keeping it real". I think I like it that way too. I'd be so disappointed all the time if I wanted my rappers to do everything they say. Come to think of it, "Realness" is pretty much the only reason 50 Cent was allowed to fuck rap in the arse for about 4 years. But oooooh, he REALLY GOT SHOT AND DEALT DRUGS, GUIIIIIZEE! Fuck the content, DUDE CAN'T RAP PROPERLY BECAUSE HE'S BEEN SHOT.... THIS IS SOO FUCKING COOL!
Fuck realness.
Yes. The best rappers are authentic ones. Zro is still the dopest thing around and its because lyrically he's a poet speaking about his environment. Not from the outside looking in
Of course I grew up on biggie and pac and ugk. My standard is a lot higher than that dudes got a scruffy voice
seems pointless if you don't also come from and live in that environment yourself. So i hope you do.
otherwise of course you have just fell into the trap of stereotyping artists based on non musical factors which is a bit silly really and something you shouldn't be doing with music once you get out of high school.
theres so much good rap out there that isn't made by people who take up drive-bys as a night job to pay for that latest grill.
Nobs - Musicide is perhaps one of the greatest albums I have ever heard (though fucking depressing)
The guy isn't ghetto, but his album came off the back of a fucked up relationship where his ex chose heroin over him (and I think she might have died from it by the way the album goes, but nothing is clear) - To just ignore it because he's not ghetto is silly!
I grew up in stop six which isn't the worst Hood in the world but its pretty shit. Regardless I don't have to be from the 60's to understand and enjoy 60's revolution music. But I would want the artist speaking about anti Vietnam war to have been a part of that scene to know its authentic and not some bullshit formulated marketing shit.
I guess you can enjoy snow as a reggae MC but we are all gonna laugh at you for enjoying an imitator
w/e his ethnicity isn't really an appropriate topic if we're going to discuss 'realness' like call b/s if you wish but I'd think other grounds are probably more relevant.
Kochari wrote:^ Yeah but if the blogger is a better writer who gives a fuck? Music ain't a documentary mate, it's an art form
Right but don't put your fiction book in the auto biography section
Dmx fans like magma want his art respected maybe he should rap about real shit. Like him shopping for clothes in the boys department and getting arested for being a junkie
w/e his ethnicity isn't really an appropriate topic if we're going to discuss 'realness' like call b/s if you wish but I'd think other grounds are probably more relevant.
Pre ww2 Jewish America and post are two entirely different worlds. Had an entire generation of kids raised by only women in the community. Not just absent fathers like absent 50% of all males
It doesn't matter the point remains sweeping generalisations about various communities are pretty lazy.
To the main point I'm not a fan of DMX and Z-ro is on rotation at home and in the car. I can't say I'm bothered by the legitimacy of the music though more it's sound. There's an argument that some ethereal sense of realness will somehow permeate the creation of the tune but that reduces the artist to merely commentator and fantasy shoot em ups are a legit source of entertainment across multiple media forms.
Genevieve wrote:Yeah, we're talking about "realness" in art. Wow.
We're talking a reporter on the scene vs a blogger writing a story based off that reporters report
No, we're talking artist and artist.
Shit like this is what ruined hip-hop basically. Dickriding the artist too much and losing complete sight over what really matters, the art. A tune is a tune, the artist might be dead for all I care.
If you think the dude is lame for claiming the persona he portrays in his art is also his real self, then fine. It's kinda like Harrison Ford acting like he's really Indiana Jones. Word, mad silly. But how the fuck does that even say ANYTHING about the movie itself?
And you want a bunch of money hungry dudes who think they're on some shit cuz they smoke weed and glamorize the shit out of themselves to give you an accurate account of ghetto life? Watch news if you want the news, not sone narcisistic shit with a record deal.
magma wrote:
Biggie's Mum's said plenty of times in interviews that when she heard the "landlord dissed us//Christmas missed us//birthdays worst days" lines she was gutted because she might've been in the ghetto, but she kept a good home. Biggie was probably realer than Pac, but Pac told waaaayyy better stories about "real" shit. He'd been to acting school. Funny that.
Everyone's acting a bit. There's no point in getting obsessive about it - did the tune move you? Cool.
I like to think Juicy was kind of relating a lot of people's stories to say "yeah, shit sucks now, but work hard and it can pay off"
ultraspatial wrote:doing any sort of drug other than smoking crack is 5 panel.
incnic wrote:true headz tread a fine line between bitterness and euphoria - much like the best rave tunes
Gen
We are talking biographical vs autobiographical but in this case the storyteller has inserted themselves in the story in place of the subject. That becomes fiction and I'm not sure why you have a problem with me calling a spade a spade
From there a huge difference between narratives and making yourself the subject.
I'm hard vs they're hard vs we.are hard vs I knew some.hard folks.but I'm going to pretend I'm them
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Kochari wrote:^ Yeah but if the blogger is a better writer who gives a fuck? Music ain't a documentary mate, it's an art form
Right but don't put your fiction book in the auto biography section
Dmx fans like magma want his art respected maybe he should rap about real shit. Like him shopping for clothes in the boys department and getting arested for being a junkie
it's the "Rap" section, not the "gang affiliated 100% accurate lyrics" section
What's done in the booth > what's done on the corner
there are a lot of fans of rap music
some care about the back story, and some only care what's coming out their speakers.
there are probably so many "real" rappers who speak the truth but are godawful at the music, lyrics, delivery, presence
And there's probably just as many great rappers who don't speak a word of literal truth, but make outstanding records
