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garethom wrote:Whatevs your opinion on that is, can we have some views on "blacking up" for fancy dress.

Here was my scenario: Last year had a fancy dress party with a musical theme. I wanted to go as Dr. Dre cos one of my mates was going as Eminem. I'm white, so I gotta be honest, it wouldn't have looked very impressive, as I didn't "black up". I wanted to look as much like Dr. Dre as possible who is probs one of my fave artists ever, but I've no doubt it would be construed as racist.

Why?

doing what we refer to as "black face" is widely considered one of the most racist things here in the states. Mostly because way back before african americans were allowed in theatres or public performances, white people would wear "black face". Not sure how itd go over elsewhere but yeah this side of the globe it's a no-no

zerbaman wrote:You missed it. He doesn't want to be Dre for the lolz. He wants to pay homage to the man.

This. This was my point. I got love for Dre. Big time.

pkay wrote: doing what we refer to as "black face" is widely considered one of the most racist things here in the states. Mostly because way back before african americans were allowed in theatres or public performances, white people would wear "black face". Not sure how itd go over elsewhere but yeah this side of the globe it's a no-no

I can see that point, true say. Was more just hoping that we'd moved on as humans rather than black/white.

garethom wrote:

zerbaman wrote:You missed it. He doesn't want to be Dre for the lolz. He wants to pay homage to the man.

This. This was my point. I got love for Dre. Big time.

pkay wrote: doing what we refer to as "black face" is widely considered one of the most racist things here in the states. Mostly because way back before african americans were allowed in theatres or public performances, white people would wear "black face". Not sure how itd go over elsewhere but yeah this side of the globe it's a no-no

I can see that point, true say. Was more just hoping that we'd moved on as humans rather than black/white.

its still pretty fresh over here. 50ish years removed from civil rights in the USA. Many of those opposing civil rights are still alive over here making it still an issue

Putting on blackface should be about as racist as wearing a wig and putting on a stuffed bra is misogynist. The act in itself isn't racist at all. Just in Americuh's history.

I wouldn't have done it cuz I KNOW people would've misconstrued it and because of it its history in America. But it's kind of odd how you're expected to pretend like Dr. Dre isn't black when you're trying to dress up like him.

Genevieve wrote:I wouldn't have done it cuz I KNOW people would've misconstrued it and because of it its history in America. But it's kind of odd how you're expected to pretend like Dr. Dre isn't black when you're trying to dress up like him.

This was pretty much why I ended up not doing it. Wasn't worth the hassle.

Genevieve wrote:Putting on blackface should be about as racist as wearing a wig and putting on a stuffed bra is misogynist. The act in itself isn't racist at all. Just in Americuh's history.

I wouldn't have done it cuz I KNOW people would've misconstrued it and because of it its history in America. But it's kind of odd how you're expected to pretend like Dr. Dre isn't black when you're trying to dress up like him.

id compare it to when harry dressed up as a izan. it might not be offensive to most people, but if it's likely you'll offend someone on a level that is still somewhat hurtful it's probably more tasteless than funny/interesting.

That's why, I, personally would not do it.

Riiiight. Pkay just said that all black people are like sizan. This thread has definitely plummeted.

I'm outta heyuh.

Genevieve wrote:Riiiight. Pkay just said that all black people are like sizan. This thread has definitely plummeted.

I'm outta heyuh.

no, I said a white person dressing up as someone of african descent is likely to offend someone so it's probably more tasteless than funny/interesting

much like someone dressing up as a izan is likely to offend someone so it's probably more tasteless than funny/interesting.


reading is your friend

I thought the title was `Casual discussion about serious racism in Europe`!

Anyway, yeah it needs sorting but it`s because of power-hungry monarchies and governments playing people against each other for the past several thousand years.

My friend called nationalism `the earliest form of branding`!

Power hungry monarchies?

What the fuck are you actually on lol

Fucking smackheads

pkay wrote:

Genevieve wrote:Riiiight. Pkay just said that all black people are like sizan. This thread has definitely plummeted.

I'm outta heyuh.

no, I said a white person dressing up as someone of african descent is likely to offend someone so it's probably more tasteless than funny/interesting

much like someone dressing up as a izan is likely to offend someone so it's probably more tasteless than funny/interesting.


reading is your friend

Apparantly, jokes aren't yours.

At uni the head of the christian union dressed up as a rasta, blacking up an all, for a party. There was a huge uproar from the ethnic minority association which is fair enough, but on the facebook post about it not one black guy complained about it (let alone a rasta), there was one indian guy getting angry about it and the rest white people. When i talked to my black friends about it they were quite indifferent about it and while they saw how it could offend some people they personally found it quite funny. I think the majority of the issues with this kind of thing come from overly politically correct white people who try and tell ethnic minorities what they should be offended by. Obviously i understand if the people who are being imitated find it offensive though.

Mason wrote: I think the majority of the issues with this kind of thing come from overly politically correct white people who try and tell ethnic minorities what they should be offended by.

White people are to blame for everything imo

amen

Mason wrote:At uni the head of the christian union dressed up as a rasta, blacking up an all, for a party. There was a huge uproar from the ethnic minority association which is fair enough, but on the facebook post about it not one black guy complained about it (let alone a rasta), there was one indian guy getting angry about it and the rest white people. When i talked to my black friends about it they were quite indifferent about it and while they saw how it could offend some people they personally found it quite funny. I think the majority of the issues with this kind of thing come from overly politically correct white people who try and tell ethnic minorities what they should be offended by. Obviously i understand if the people who are being imitated find it offensive though.

Yeah, actually the vibes I often get from white dudes "sticking up" for minorities or women, etc, is almost as if they feel the need to be this 'great white savior' who jumps in to protect black people, women, etc from all those white evil doers. Almost as if minorities or women can't stand up for themselves and NEED the help of some self-righteous white guy to protect them.

Calling out racism and mysoginy when you see it is one thing, but I hate "white knights".

Genevieve wrote:

Mason wrote:At uni the head of the christian union dressed up as a rasta, blacking up an all, for a party. There was a huge uproar from the ethnic minority association which is fair enough, but on the facebook post about it not one black guy complained about it (let alone a rasta), there was one indian guy getting angry about it and the rest white people. When i talked to my black friends about it they were quite indifferent about it and while they saw how it could offend some people they personally found it quite funny. I think the majority of the issues with this kind of thing come from overly politically correct white people who try and tell ethnic minorities what they should be offended by. Obviously i understand if the people who are being imitated find it offensive though.

Yeah, actually the vibes I often get from white dudes "sticking up" for minorities or women, etc, is almost as if they feel the need to be this 'great white savior' who jumps in to protect black people, women, etc from all those white evil doers. Almost as if minorities or women can't stand up for themselves and NEED the help of some self-righteous white guy to protect them.

Calling out racism and mysoginy when you see it is one thing, but I hate "white knights".

Do you not think those people would help anyone? or do they only go out of their way for people of other ethnic backgrounds?

Genevieve wrote:

Mason wrote:At uni the head of the christian union dressed up as a rasta, blacking up an all, for a party. There was a huge uproar from the ethnic minority association which is fair enough, but on the facebook post about it not one black guy complained about it (let alone a rasta), there was one indian guy getting angry about it and the rest white people. When i talked to my black friends about it they were quite indifferent about it and while they saw how it could offend some people they personally found it quite funny. I think the majority of the issues with this kind of thing come from overly politically correct white people who try and tell ethnic minorities what they should be offended by. Obviously i understand if the people who are being imitated find it offensive though.

Yeah, actually the vibes I often get from white dudes "sticking up" for minorities or women, etc, is almost as if they feel the need to be this 'great white savior' who jumps in to protect black people, women, etc from all those white evil doers. Almost as if minorities or women can't stand up for themselves and NEED the help of some self-righteous white guy to protect them.

Calling out racism and mysoginy when you see it is one thing, but I hate "white knights".

Kind of like Magma did when I posted a story about immigrants living in a million pound townhouse in London on benefits, he went absolutely spare. In actual fact, they don't give a fuck about anyone else and don't need to be defended. It's displaying white middle class guilt to make yourself feel better instead of actually having the balls to have an opinion.

This countries full of overly politically correct neo-liberal pricks

Perej wrote: In actual fact, they don't give a fuck about anyone else and don't need to be defended. It's displaying white middle class guilt to make yourself feel better instead of actually having the balls to have an opinion.

Do you actually believe that? If so, do you not think that your'e a racist?

Terpit wrote:

Perej wrote: In actual fact, they don't give a fuck about anyone else and don't need to be defended. It's displaying white middle class guilt to make yourself feel better instead of actually having the balls to have an opinion.

Do you actually believe that? If so, do you not think that your'e a racist?

Do I think the people in question don't give a fuck? Yes, but that's the people in question, not immigrants in general. Why does that make me racist?? I don't understand that twisted logic..

i think generalizing like that is wrong and harmful, does that make make my logic 'twisted'?