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We watched a documentary last night called 'eating'.

http://www.vegparadise.com/media1.html

A girl at work has been giving it to people, and each and every person who has watched it turned vegan over night. I've been vege for a year and I've been fooling myself into thinking no animals are harmed whilst making cheese and milk. Then I saw what they're really doing, vs the projected media image of cheerful cows being milked and chickens happily giving up their eggs. It really is the matrix.

Ick. I've been shocked by this DVD and now I'm ready to go vegan after the year of being a vege.

One interesting point brought up was that with all the water and grain that goes into fattening up cattle along with all the road transportation, this should make a pound of hamburger meat cost about $90, so why are they selling burgers for about a dollar?

Interesting stuff.

And the point where they show you what happens in the egg factories -they throw live male chicks into a grinders or seal them into air tight plastic bins to suffocate and then simply throw them away.

This factory farming bullshit is truly fucked. Unbelievable. You think you know what's really going on, but you don't know the half of it. Beaks cut off. Bones breaking. Veal calves made anemic to give them light coloured meat. Hooves cut off living cows in Texas.

Of course, the health benefits of going fully vegetable based are incredible. People have reversed cancer and heart disease simply by stopping eating cholesterol, which is something only found in meat. They show all the countries where meat isn't often in the diet vs the heart disease and common cancer occurences. Very sobering.

The bullshit we've been told about needing milk for calcium and that we need protein. There's more than enough protein in potatoes to feed the human body.

Basically, the government has been responsible for telling us what we should eat based on subsidies they get from agriculture.

Oh, and money isn't made from preventing disease, it's made from treating disease.

Brrrr.

MMmmmm. Soy lattes really aren't that bad.

I like eating meat.

kins83 wrote:I like eating meat.

So do I, but I'm not afraid to stick my neck out and make changes.

A very good post by two oh one. I myself used to be very anemic and had to use all sorts of pills for that... then I got on a vegetarian diet and my doctor tried to assure me that it was the worst thing to do to my anemia. Anyway, the next time I had my hemoglobin levels checked, they had miraculously gone up to a normal level - for the first time in many many years.

And as far as soy is concerned, I remember reading that 90% of all soy brought to Finland is for the meat industry.

Giving up diary products and eggs is actually not as difficult as one might imagine. Maybe vegan cakes are shit, most of the time just falling apart - but there are also some good recipes around. And you don't have to use soy milk - you've got oats, rice, almonds...

Finland is actually quite an interesting case concerning milk. Really, really many people here are lactose intolerant, which results in a wide range of milk products available that are made lactose free. I really don't understand that - if something makes you so ill, why would you even attempt to eat that...

And if you were thinking of turning vegan, just remember - variety and b12 supplementation is the clue.

im gonna say something in my own thread. which thanks for the ppl who keep their minds open to no meat and actually caring about these animals....

i date a guy who eats meat. and has me cook it for him. it makes me cringe when i see him eating it. i can barely cook it. but anyway....i always try to bring up maybe not eating meat as much or something. and his response makes me want to freak out.....

"we are the top of the foodchain....why wouldnt i eat them? they mean nothing to me....its just meat"

or usually something along those lines. he has NO care for what is being done. wont even listen to me or watch the videos of this stuff happening to animals. it really makes me question some things. but needless to say, i love him. i just cant accept his attitude about it. its like me saying...
"i dont mind killing people...i mean they have the ability to fight back.." ? maybe thats not the same thing, but to me it is. and we prosecute ppl for killing other people.

just because animals cant fight back, or are raised FOR food...doesnt mean they are treated properly, or that its even OK. at all!

it seriously hurts me a lot to hear ppl just say "we are at the top of the foodchain" or "meat is meat...theyre just animals" or...something along those lines.

let me go ahead and fatten up your precious dog or cat or other pet and shove food down their throat, and then slowly kill it or kick it around a bunch....and then serve it up for dinner. how about that?

who says its fair to kill pigs or chickens or other animals, but god forbid if you touch a pet.

just blows my mind. im glad a lot of you on here seem to have an open mind about it and have some heart. and a brain!

perkalerk215, I don't think I could go out with a guy that eats meat anymore. It's just not very convenient to have separate foods all the time, and it also makes me wonder whether it's worth the try anyway, if he has such a different view on something that means a lot to me. My ex was not a vegetarian, and altho I refused to cook meat for him and he never asked me to do that, eventually we ended up fighting about diets and eating a lot. This all applies to people that insist on eating meat all the time and cannot imagine eating one dinner without meat in it (the "vegetables are not food" people).

i see your point completely and trust me, ive had thoughts before of doubting being able to be with a non-veggie. it seems like there should be compromising about this one. and i wont eat meat, so ill cook it occassionally for him only bc he cant cook anything himself. BUT....ive tried to make meals more focused on other things other than meat to show him its not always needed.

he is totally fine with ME not eating it and my views, but he just shuts them down quick and wont even have a discussion about it. just snaps back at me about being top of food chain and they were made to be eaten...that cavemen ate them, etc....

its all about choices. and i chose to not take part in that whole disgusting industry. i refuse to ever eat meat again and i guarantee any kids i have will be raised with good morals and will not be eating meat. but for my man....i guess thats just who he is. and although i believe in totally opposite things.....we can compromise and work together to not let it create any issues. but ill admit it.....it drives me crazy and id love him a whole lot more if hed listen for a change....and accept some things and maybe choose to eat it way less or something...or even just to cut the asshole attitude.

Parson wrote:beans and rice combine to make the perfect protein

i normally make batches of pinto beans or black beans and eat em with spanish rice that i make.

its good to cook em with like onions and serrano peppers and garlic and tomato and seasonings.. good stuff.

i also make hummus from scratch. also lentils with curry. stuff like that.

Pinto beans and rice is the standard Costa Rican diet, but they don't add anything extra so it's bland (just went on a trip there). I'm going to try what you're suggesting.

I make chick peas by just emptying a can into a pan (with the water) and adding onions, salt and pepper. Cook until the water dries. It's delicious, but you have to get the right brand otherwise the consistency is wrong. In Canada it's Unico brand.

If somebody thinks they're at the top of the food chain, put a napkin round their neck, then hand them an ornate salt cellar and pepper mill before proceeding to lock them into a cage with a Tiger that hasn't seen food in 2 weeks.

Then we see if they're right.


Or, you could use a bear. Or even a large dog.

two oh one wrote:If somebody thinks they're at the top of the food chain, put a napkin round their neck, then hand them an ornate salt cellar and pepper mill before proceeding to lock them into a cage with a Tiger that hasn't seen food in 2 weeks.

Then we see if they're right.


Or, you could use a bear. Or even a large dog.

But (generally) humans don't eat tiger, or bear. I'd fancy my chances against a chicken or a pig though.

i reckon an angry pig or cow could murk a human easy..

kins83 wrote:

two oh one wrote:If somebody thinks they're at the top of the food chain, put a napkin round their neck, then hand them an ornate salt cellar and pepper mill before proceeding to lock them into a cage with a Tiger that hasn't seen food in 2 weeks.

Then we see if they're right.


Or, you could use a bear. Or even a large dog.

But (generally) humans don't eat tiger, or bear. I'd fancy my chances against a chicken or a pig though.

That's not the point. Anything cocky enough to think it's at the top of the food chain whilst gorging on chemically treated meat mass produced in a factory and killed/prepared by other people are NOT at the top of the chain, are they? I mean in the real sense. Being so removed from the actual process and all.



You'd fancy your chances with a pig or chicken were it already cut up and sat between two bits of bread.

straight up i could kill a dog and eat it if i had to.

Bob Crunkhouse wrote:i reckon an angry pig or cow could murk a human easy..

Yeah. I saw some boars in the hills of Northern Cali. These things periodically attacked the cows. Fucking brutal. Not THAT big, either. Just highly motivated.

perkalerk215 wrote: its all about choices. and i chose to not take part in that whole disgusting industry. i refuse to ever eat meat again andi guarantee any kids i have will be raised with good morals and will not be eating meat.

Interesting oxymoron.

Have my parents raised me badly because I like meat?

I've been a vegetarian for 11 years. It's been for health reasons and never ethical ones. I'm just not comfortable with all the chemicals and hormones they're pumping into 99% of the meat out there these days.

If you want to eat meat, you'll never hear one word of protest from me. I just choose not to eat it myself.

vahn roi wrote:I've been a vegetarian for 11 years. It's been for health reasons and never ethical ones. I'm just not comfortable with all the chemicals and hormones they're pumping into 99% of the meat out there these days.

So you wouldn't be against putting a leather belt on your head?

Duttier Yuppie wrote:

perkalerk215 wrote: its all about choices. and i chose to not take part in that whole disgusting industry. i refuse to ever eat meat again andi guarantee any kids i have will be raised with good morals and will not be eating meat.

Interesting oxymoron.

Have my parents raised me badly because I like meat?

Ha! init. Wouldnt it be better to let them make there own mind up? i fuckin hate pushy parents, pushing religon, eating choices etc is soo fucked. Let them be individuals.

two oh one wrote:

kins83 wrote:

two oh one wrote:If somebody thinks they're at the top of the food chain, put a napkin round their neck, then hand them an ornate salt cellar and pepper mill before proceeding to lock them into a cage with a Tiger that hasn't seen food in 2 weeks.

Then we see if they're right.


Or, you could use a bear. Or even a large dog.

But (generally) humans don't eat tiger, or bear. I'd fancy my chances against a chicken or a pig though.

That's not the point. Anything cocky enough to think it's at the top of the food chain whilst gorging on chemically treated meat mass produced in a factory and killed/prepared by other people are NOT at the top of the chain, are they? I mean in the real sense. Being so removed from the actual process and all.



You'd fancy your chances with a pig or chicken were it already cut up and sat between two bits of bread.

I understand your point there. That last sentence is typical preachy vegetarian though. In my humble, meat-eating-savage opinion.