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GregoryTJ wrote:

mthrfnk wrote:GUYS YOUR'RE ALL MAKING IT TOO COMPLICATED

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jujment699 wrote:

GregoryTJ wrote:

mthrfnk wrote:GUYS YOUR'RE ALL MAKING IT TOO COMPLICATED

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Sorry for causing such a riot with the vocoding. I wish someone would at least consider it before destroying my opinion and shooting down every idea i have.
I'm not saying vocoding is the primary factor. Nor is it used every time. Or in large amounts.
But seriously, go try it for yourself, if you've never been successful at it, you won't understand what i mean, and you have no right to give an opinion until you are successful.

I'm simply stating that a lot of the vocal properties must come from Vocoding.
Obviously you all know, in every vocoder i can decide if i want it to sound more like the sample, or the bass. Use a vocoder and just use slight amounts of vocal in it, then compress it to accentuate the whole vocal idea, because we know 100% vocoding is really gross.

Please, before you shoot me down, understand my ideas. God. I'm all considerate of your ideas.

WolfCryOfficial wrote:

jujment699 wrote:

GregoryTJ wrote:

mthrfnk wrote:GUYS YOUR'RE ALL MAKING IT TOO COMPLICATED

+1

+2

+3

Sorry for causing such a riot with the vocoding. I wish someone would at least consider it before destroying my opinion and shooting down every idea i have.
I'm not saying vocoding is the primary factor. Nor is it used every time. Or in large amounts.
But seriously, go try it for yourself, if you've never been successful at it, you won't understand what i mean, and you have no right to give an opinion until you are successful.

I'm simply stating that a lot of the vocal properties must come from Vocoding.
Obviously you all know, in every vocoder i can decide if i want it to sound more like the sample, or the bass. Use a vocoder and just use slight amounts of vocal in it, then compress it to accentuate the whole vocal idea, because we know 100% vocoding is really gross.

Please, before you shoot me down, understand my ideas. God. I'm all considerate of your ideas.

It's just that alot of the time with the way your word stuff, it seems liek you're saying 'THIS IS HOW IT IS, I KNOW BEST' and not 'This is my idea, I think it could work'

blinkesko wrote:

WolfCryOfficial wrote:

jujment699 wrote:

GregoryTJ wrote:

mthrfnk wrote:GUYS YOUR'RE ALL MAKING IT TOO COMPLICATED

+1

+2

+3

Sorry for causing such a riot with the vocoding. I wish someone would at least consider it before destroying my opinion and shooting down every idea i have.
I'm not saying vocoding is the primary factor. Nor is it used every time. Or in large amounts.
But seriously, go try it for yourself, if you've never been successful at it, you won't understand what i mean, and you have no right to give an opinion until you are successful.

I'm simply stating that a lot of the vocal properties must come from Vocoding.
Obviously you all know, in every vocoder i can decide if i want it to sound more like the sample, or the bass. Use a vocoder and just use slight amounts of vocal in it, then compress it to accentuate the whole vocal idea, because we know 100% vocoding is really gross.

Please, before you shoot me down, understand my ideas. God. I'm all considerate of your ideas.

It's just that alot of the time with the way your word stuff, it seems liek you're saying 'THIS IS HOW IT IS, I KNOW BEST' and not 'This is my idea, I think it could work'

My bad then. I apologize to everyone thats just the way i come off, i apologize.
Please just try out the idea, i think you'll find it to your liking

Also, try vocoding your sample, then layering it with the original! Great antiphasing vocal effect!

I'm with WolfCry. Vocoder does a good job in not only adding vowels but also some amount of that...whats the word..squelchiness Maybe not always. But that doesn't mean EQs doesn't work they work too.
Anyways here my vocoded growl.
Soundcloud

PhotonOfficial wrote:

Phat Camel wrote:I think i'm getting more movement on growls. Soundcloud

Dude that is sick, please explain??

I added here two EQ's instead of one and a limiter. That will create bigger movement in mid frequencies. That's the only thing i've done to my fm patch. The main secret behind every Skrillex growl (including mine growl) is the texture. You need to synthesize really bright bass with two big formant peaks (one in bass range, one in mid) + some modulation on operators to give it a very small movement, beacause big envelope curves usually will sound like shit. Then you add one or two EQ's for vocal movement and some overdrive to mid range and here you have it. If you want some distortion - use 2 or 3 small distortions instead of one big. Distortion is a tool to give your sound some character. Hope that helped.
Also: Try to use triangle waves and formants instead of sines and saws.

I have tried vocoding growls before, like in this remix thing I've never gotten around to finishing
http://snd.sc/16wt4TJ
The vocoded signal is at about 10-20% here, but I much prefer eq automation over vocoding tbh, although it's much harder to get the vowels you want, and to make them sound decent.
Here's another old example, this time it's only eq modulation
http://snd.sc/16wtCJg
Very short, and it's getting faded out with a hp filter, but replay it a couple of times :p
I just like the sound from eq modulation alot more, seems more clean to me.
Meaningless post maybe, but I'm bored at work and wanted to contribute to the 'vocoder vs eq' discussion, haha

Phat Camel wrote:

PhotonOfficial wrote:

Phat Camel wrote:I think i'm getting more movement on growls. Soundcloud

Dude that is sick, please explain??

I added here two EQ's instead of one and a limiter. That will create bigger movement in mid frequencies. That's the only thing i've done to my fm patch. The main secret behind every Skrillex growl (including mine growl) is the texture. You need to synthesize really bright bass with two big formant peaks (one in bass range, one in mid) + some modulation on operators to give it a very small movement, beacause big envelope curves usually will sound like shit. Then you add one or two EQ's for vocal movement and some overdrive to mid range and here you have it. If you want some distortion - use 2 or 3 small distortions instead of one big. Distortion is a tool to give your sound some character. Hope that helped.
Also: Try to use triangle waves and formants instead of sines and saws.

Thanks man I appreciate it. I'm still having trouble with the FM patch though:/ could you maybe be more specific about the patch?

Thank you:D

I could also add that, maybe it's meaningless, but the skrillnator himself said

I don't do much vocoding to be honest

got some growly basses in this house tune i did, if you wanna know how i made any of the sounds let me kno

https://soundcloud.com/kbonabian/reload-remix

blinkesko wrote:I could also add that, maybe it's meaningless, but the skrillnator himself said

I don't do much vocoding to be honest

Where did he say that?

tomz wrote:

blinkesko wrote:I could also add that, maybe it's meaningless, but the skrillnator himself said

I don't do much vocoding to be honest

Where did he say that?

Some interview about his productions, cant remember where atm, but i can try to search it up laterr

I use vocoding very heavily, just not for vowels . I honestly have no idea how to add vowely-ness with vocoding so i'd be happy to have wolfcry or someone explain that to me. I use convolution as the way to add vowels.

azuk wrote:I use vocoding very heavily, just not for vowels . I honestly have no idea how to add vowely-ness with vocoding so i'd be happy to have wolfcry or someone explain that to me. I use convolution as the way to add vowels.

https://soundcloud.com/gregory-t-johnso ... wl/s-R97dq (private link , click it)

Here is a vocoder growl I made. I don't generally like vocoder growls but this is kind of cool I guess.

Ask for details.

GregoryTJ wrote:

azuk wrote:I use vocoding very heavily, just not for vowels . I honestly have no idea how to add vowely-ness with vocoding so i'd be happy to have wolfcry or someone explain that to me. I use convolution as the way to add vowels.

https://soundcloud.com/gregory-t-johnso ... wl/s-R97dq (private link , click it)

Here is a vocoder growl I made. I don't generally like vocoder growls but this is kind of cool I guess.

Ask for details.

Can you explain? This has the sort of timbre of some KTN growls. With a bit of work it could sound good.

GregoryTJ wrote:

azuk wrote:I use vocoding very heavily, just not for vowels . I honestly have no idea how to add vowely-ness with vocoding so i'd be happy to have wolfcry or someone explain that to me. I use convolution as the way to add vowels.

https://soundcloud.com/gregory-t-johnso ... wl/s-R97dq (private link , click it)

Here is a vocoder growl I made. I don't generally like vocoder growls but this is kind of cool I guess.

Ask for details.

Add a de-esser.

Finally decided to add distortion to my growls, sounds pretty sick:

Soundcloud

Its a bit quiet so turn the volume up to hear it.

the movement is nice, but you should definetely try to get some more harmonics in there, sounds rather empty

blinkesko wrote:the movement is nice, but you should definetely try to get some more harmonics in there, sounds rather empty

Okay, how do you recommend I do this?