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alien pimp wrote:

Helix [Delay] wrote:it's just that the masses are led into voting for things that often aren't for their own benefit, but rather to keep power in the hands of the powerful[/b].

Helix [Delay] wrote: The individual vote has power within the popular vote, but if the individual vote goes so far against the grain of the popular vote, it still has power, just so little that it becomes practically powerless.

you're mixing up wishful thinking and theory with empirical knowledge that contradicts the theory, stick a while more in the empirical zone to sort out the theory better
don't you see how the two quotes above are contradictory and facts lead to the conclusion below?!?!

alien pimp wrote:your vote means nothing, technically you are in a dictatorship
after experiencing both i can tell the main difference between the communist dictatorship and yours is that the communists forced people into things, you are lied and manipulated into them, mostly via a "bling" culture

Condescension has no place in an intelligent discussion.

Helix [Delay] wrote:

alien pimp wrote:

Helix [Delay] wrote:it's just that the masses are led into voting for things that often aren't for their own benefit, but rather to keep power in the hands of the powerful[/b].

Helix [Delay] wrote: The individual vote has power within the popular vote, but if the individual vote goes so far against the grain of the popular vote, it still has power, just so little that it becomes practically powerless.

you're mixing up wishful thinking and theory with empirical knowledge that contradicts the theory, stick a while more in the empirical zone to sort out the theory better
don't you see how the two quotes above are contradictory and facts lead to the conclusion below?!?!

alien pimp wrote:your vote means nothing, technically you are in a dictatorship
after experiencing both i can tell the main difference between the communist dictatorship and yours is that the communists forced people into things, you are lied and manipulated into them, mostly via a "bling" culture

Condescension has no place in an intelligent discussion.

You idiot! It's called condensation!

Helix [Delay] wrote:

alien pimp wrote:

Helix [Delay] wrote:it's just that the masses are led into voting for things that often aren't for their own benefit, but rather to keep power in the hands of the powerful[/b].

Helix [Delay] wrote: The individual vote has power within the popular vote, but if the individual vote goes so far against the grain of the popular vote, it still has power, just so little that it becomes practically powerless.

you're mixing up wishful thinking and theory with empirical knowledge that contradicts the theory, stick a while more in the empirical zone to sort out the theory better
don't you see how the two quotes above are contradictory and facts lead to the conclusion below?!?!

alien pimp wrote:your vote means nothing, technically you are in a dictatorship
after experiencing both i can tell the main difference between the communist dictatorship and yours is that the communists forced people into things, you are lied and manipulated into them, mostly via a "bling" culture

Condescension has no place in an intelligent discussion.

0% condescension there, 100% logic, face it!

parson wrote:

Motorway to Roswell wrote:so would this go over say a picture of part of the universe or literally over everything?

things that are fractal, things that use sacred geometry, things that are created from a place of gnosis. pay attention to cathedrals and churches and shit in movies. look at that movie Up. they don't even have crosses in the church. they use sacred geometry.

not just churches though. check out the insides of the rich people's houses in movies.

here arthur c clark gives out fuckloads of secrets

check out the patterns they show when he describes how fractality has been used in art.

nice vid
ive seen that pattern a lot when ive tripped, now i know why!

"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum - even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there's free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate. "

Noam Chomsky

parson wrote:"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum - even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there's free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate. "

Noam Chomsky

Brilliant.

Noam's a dude.

alien pimp wrote: 0% condescension there, 100% logic, face it!

AP does have a point, I don't know what to say if you can't see that shit, the US is on some ultra-aggressive nationalistic shit, we're just not...a "dictatorship" in the TRADITIONAL sense, but we're doing all the same things as a country that izan Germany did at one point. Does having less people in our detention camps make them somehow dissimilar to the ones the sizan had?

EDIT: God, fuck that word filter. lpl

parson wrote:"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum - even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there's free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate. "

Noam Chomsky

this one needs facebooked a bit to start a new day properly

parson wrote:"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum - even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there's free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate. "

Noam Chomsky

It's a wonderful quote from my favourite writer, but could just as easily apply to those, such as yourself, who are allowed to live perfectly freely believing what you do.

Do you have SWAT teams hitting your door before you hit post? No. You don't. Dissidents in really oppressive cultures don't get to spread their "truths".

it's always valuable to have the voice of the angry and insecure set, just for the sake of including everybody

parson wrote:it's always valuable to have the voice of the angry and insecure set, just for the sake of including everybody

I'm not angry or insecure... I'm just interested in why you're so intent on saying this to a very enclosed circle of people, but you don't have the confidence to go global?

If you can prove it, prove it... the world has accepted far more "dangerous" truths than this; it's only 150 years since Darwin was tearing down Christianity and although not everyone's on board, it's made massive changes to society... the idea that people don't accept this because they're scared is utterly laughable.

If you can't be bothered then it can't be that important.

magma wrote:

parson wrote:"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum - even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there's free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate. "

Noam Chomsky

It's a wonderful quote from my favourite writer, but could just as easily apply to those, such as yourself, who are allowed to live perfectly freely believing what you do.

Do you have SWAT teams hitting your door before you hit post? No. You don't. Dissidents in really oppressive cultures don't get to spread their "truths".

neither did the communists, there were other ways
and yes, dissidents got to spread their truths, that's how they became dissidents
and yes, US has no flight lists too
and yes in US you need to comply too to be successful and if you're too much of a dissident you get marginalized by society, once you've lost your job and social security you're out

censorship is big in US too, you can see the media reflecting much weirder and more marginal beliefs than parsons, but not his. let's not forget icke has quite a huge fanbase now, but only due to internet

alien pimp wrote:

magma wrote:

parson wrote:"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum - even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there's free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate. "

Noam Chomsky

It's a wonderful quote from my favourite writer, but could just as easily apply to those, such as yourself, who are allowed to live perfectly freely believing what you do.

Do you have SWAT teams hitting your door before you hit post? No. You don't. Dissidents in really oppressive cultures don't get to spread their "truths".

neither did the communists, there were other ways
and yes, dissidents got to spread their truths, that's how they became dissidents
and yes, US has no flight lists too
and yes in US you need to comply too to be successful and if you're too much of a dissident you get marginalized by society, once you've lost your job and social security you're out

censorship is big in US too, you can see the media reflecting much weirder and more marginal beliefs than parsons, but not his. let's not forget icke has quite a huge fanbase now, but only due to internet

http://tickets.telegraph.co.uk/david-icke-tickets/

Yeah, he's so alternative. You have to read the TELEGRAPH* to know about him!!

Next?




*for our American cousins - the Telegraph is the UK's 'poshest' mainstream paper. Aimed at the upper middle classes; lots of adverts for investments and luxury cars. Boris Johnson, the London Mayor, has a regular column.

magma wrote:

alien pimp wrote:
censorship is big in US too, you can see the media reflecting much weirder and more marginal beliefs than parsons, but not his. let's not forget icke has quite a huge fanbase now, but only due to internet

http://tickets.telegraph.co.uk/david-icke-tickets/

Yeah, he's so alternative. You have to read the TELEGRAPH* to know about him!!

Next?




*for our American cousins - the Telegraph is the UK's 'poshest' mainstream paper. Aimed at the upper middle classes; lots of adverts for investments and luxury cars. Boris Johnson, the London Mayor, has a regular column.

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do talk when you have a media coverage of his points of view and arguments, and that's any bit proportional with his fanbase

alien pimp wrote:

magma wrote:

alien pimp wrote:
censorship is big in US too, you can see the media reflecting much weirder and more marginal beliefs than parsons, but not his. let's not forget icke has quite a huge fanbase now, but only due to internet

http://tickets.telegraph.co.uk/david-icke-tickets/

Yeah, he's so alternative. You have to read the TELEGRAPH* to know about him!!

Next?




*for our American cousins - the Telegraph is the UK's 'poshest' mainstream paper. Aimed at the upper middle classes; lots of adverts for investments and luxury cars. Boris Johnson, the London Mayor, has a regular column.

David Icke UK Tour
Now is your chance to catch your favourite rock and pop acts performing live on stage in the UK. See all the action right before your very eyes!

Whether you want to sing along to your favourite pop hits or rock out to your favourite guitar riffs, we have the right tickets for you. There is no better place to compare and buy rock and pop tickets for this event and many more!

So go on, check out thousands of David Icke tickets and other rock and pop tickets available to compare and buy now!

do talk when you have a media coverage of his points of view and arguments, and that's any bit proportional with his fanbase

It's really not hard to find out about him, he's never far from the medias lips:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2001/ma ... es.weekend

http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2 ... tures11.g2

Every curious teenager or 6th former has read this sort of conspiracy stuff for as long as I can remember. Most people grow out of it. In the 19th Century millions saw prisms as evidence of God; now we can explain prisms, so people look for other things to make mystical. It's all very predictable human behaviour.

I'm sure some very outlandish things may be true about the universe... but I'm only going to say "yes, I believe" to people who can demonstrate proof.

i forgot you can't understand anything i write, as you stated yourself several times, so obviously you can't make any sense out of this:

alien pimp wrote: do talk when you have a media coverage of his points of view and arguments, and that's any bit proportional with his fanbase

first his rock'n'roll tour, then this:

David Icke, one-time goalkeeper, TV presenter and self-proclaimed Son of God, has re-invented himself as a travelling guru. Would Canada take seriously his warnings of power-hungry extraterrestrial reptiles or would he be dismissed as an anti-Semitic bigot?

hell, he's getting a treat from mainstream media indeed, you have more?

from your own link:

David: "I have had three major interviews pulled this week. I've had book signings cancelled. You wanna read the papers a bit more, mate! There Are Lizards And There Are Lizards."