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It's only pop music, with a banging drum and a bit of throbbing bass....

Jealousy much? Shocking news? WAKE UP CALL! Just in case you didn't realize, the genre names and styles, come from the music and not the other way around. Those of you who are attempting to deny the nature of art in a sad attempt at clinging to your interpretation of a genre have a big music lesson coming to you. DUBSTEP is a NEW COMBINATION or OLD MUSICAL IDEAS. It is not to say that the sounds being produced are not part of new technology and techniques the likes of which many have not heard before and certainly had not some 20/30 years ago. The musical ideas however are generally influenced by many styles throughout history....JUST LIKE ALL MUSIC (you think Dubstep is the first to make a riff that goes from the root to the flat 2, ahhhh so much to learn). So when you see "YOUR" genre influencing other artists, don't be surprised. Accept this development of your new favorite style as the nature of art taking it's course. Has the majority of what the average hipster/dj show attendee interprets as dubstep now begun to cater to the lowest common denominator? I say absolutely. Will the real song writers in the genre stand out from the cliche, song-less, mainstream, no depth beats? You betcha. Unfortunately it may take time. Just like with all genres and I assume all other art forms you have to search for the most creative in the genre or form. You have to be turned on to them by people who know about the style. Are you shocked or think it's a new thing for pop music to be dominated by 'which songs are most easily marketable to 12 year old girls?' Then go to a book store and read the section in Frank Zappa's autobiography where he gives a famous speech to a composers graduating class about the anecdotal "Debbie." It will amaze you at how long this junk has been going on. Whoever has access to the most disposable income dictates who gets the marketing choice. It's as old as the 50s and 60s at least as far as I can tell. If people spent half the time they did clinging to their temporary definitions of this particular genre to instead studying music and music history, perhaps we would have a genre DOMINATED not only by great producers, but also great SONG WRITERS! See, in the end it's the song writing and originality (this I define as a fresh new combination of old ideas) that will make or break the shelf life of any genre. Dubstep producers, I challenge you to raise up from the world of 'beat making' or 'one big drop with no melodic elements or defining elements or an intro that has nothing to do with the drop' ideas. If we wanna give this genre any credibility when it goes mainstream and it will (or maybe already has), we gotta speak to history of music. Dubstep has it's place in a chain of musical development that is 1000's of years old. In this chain of influence and re-combining old ideas, the deep music listeners (I wish I were speaking of the mainstream, but hey if you do it right, in the right context most people are ready to listen) who have always paid close attention to the development electronic music and seen it as part of the chain, will easily pass over regurgitated undistinguishable beats. Dubstep is still young and has lots of room to go. It is unfortunate that so many folks with so little depth have chosen the lowest common denominator sound and thus giving most people the impression that they can easily 'put their finger' on exactly what Dubstep is. The genre certainly used to have more mystique when it was MORE DIVERSE! So I guess what I'm saying is....don't worry about Rusko and more people related to a style you like earning more opportunities to succeed. Don't allow people to pigeon whole their idea of exactly what dubstep is. Don't get mad.....GET CREATIVE!

what a mission i aint reading all that,

rusko sucks

just as much as caspa the bellend hahahah

should be interesting

I wouldn't call that dubstep, imo.
These are a few 'rules' for music to be real dubstep:
-140-ish bpm (or 70)
-nice kick/snare on 1st/3d.
-nice bassline
-no pop-vocals (preferably no singing) & an awesome sample
-has to drop round the 17th beat (or the 34th) (if I'm not mistaking, started 'producing' like a week or 3 ago)
-preferably vinyl releases, or web.
-not to be known to anyone who's not in the dubstep scene.

Yeah that's about it. Of course this is my personal list, yours could be different.
Yet this eliminates Britney and Borgore very nicely, doesn't it?

basl wrote:I wouldn't call that dubstep, imo.
These are a few 'rules' for music to be real dubstep:
-140-ish bpm (or 70)
-nice kick/snare on 1st/3d.
-nice bassline
-no pop-vocals (preferably no singing) & an awesome sample
-has to drop round the 17th beat (or the 34th) (if I'm not mistaking, started 'producing' like a week or 3 ago)
-preferably vinyl releases, or web.
-not to be known to anyone who's not in the dubstep scene.

That's way too many rules (some of which were fully retarded)

the actual "rules" of dubstep:
Rule 1: Shit loads of sub bass
Rule 2: Roughly 140bpm (give or take a few bpm either side)
Rule 3: More sub bass

basl wrote: These are a few 'rules' for music to be real dubstep:
-140-ish bpm (or 70)
-nice kick/snare on 1st/3d.
-nice bassline
-no pop-vocals (preferably no singing) & an awesome sample
-has to drop round the 17th beat (or the 34th) (if I'm not mistaking, started 'producing' like a week or 3 ago)
-preferably vinyl releases, or web.
-not to be known to anyone who's not in the dubstep scene.

basl wrote:I wouldn't call that dubstep, imo.
These are a few 'rules' for music to be real dubstep:
-140-ish bpm (or 70)
-nice kick/snare on 1st/3d.
-nice bassline
-no pop-vocals (preferably no singing) & an awesome sample
-has to drop round the 17th beat (or the 34th) (if I'm not mistaking, started 'producing' like a week or 3 ago)
-preferably vinyl releases, or web.
-not to be known to anyone who's not in the dubstep scene.

Yeah that's about it. Of course this is my personal list, yours could be different.
Yet this eliminates Britney and Borgore very nicely, doesn't it?

This needs to be faaaaar more specific.. You can't allow ideas to go unboxed.

Btw guize, I heard Mala is producing the next Miley Cyrus album

well i just heard Rusko's britney track on z100

As soon as i got hip to dubstep i was waiting for the techniques/elements (particularly of bro-ish tunes) to leak into mainstream production. Its simply a good idea and inevitable. I thought it would happen sooner in crunk/hip hop than dance pop...

Anyways the track is better than anything i've heard from Rusko in quite awhile. That's the interesting bit.

-[2]DAY_- wrote:well i just heard Rusko's britney track on z100

Audio?

basl wrote:I wouldn't call that dubstep, imo.
These are a few 'rules' for music to be real dubstep:
-140-ish bpm (or 70)
-nice kick/snare on 1st/3d.
-nice bassline
-no pop-vocals (preferably no singing) & an awesome sample
-has to drop round the 17th beat (or the 34th) (if I'm not mistaking, started 'producing' like a week or 3 ago)
-preferably vinyl releases, or web.
-not to be known to anyone who's not in the dubstep scene.

Yeah that's about it. Of course this is my personal list, yours could be different.
Yet this eliminates Britney and Borgore very nicely, doesn't it?

dubstep does not have to have the snare on 3 for the last time u farking noobs.

-boring wrote: dubstep does not have to have the snare on 3 for the last time u farking noobs.

And who on earth is this Burial character?


Hahahahhahaha.

Out to dubsworth for chattin sense

would have no problem Mala producing for Britney. I'd be eager to hear it. But Rusko has been garbage since day. That's probably why he is catching heat. Fair play to him for getting paid, but I don't have to sit here and pretend his success has been good for the scene.

joeki wrote:Abandoned him long ago.

OMG was absolute shite. With the exception of one track.

Rusko hasn't produced anything worthwhile for 2 or 3 years. End of story.

truth.

dubsworth wrote:Jealousy much? Shocking news? WAKE UP CALL! Just in case you didn't realize, the genre names and styles, come from the music and not the other way around. Those of you who are attempting to deny the nature of art in a sad attempt at clinging to your interpretation of a genre have a big music lesson coming to you. DUBSTEP is a NEW COMBINATION or OLD MUSICAL IDEAS. It is not to say that the sounds being produced are not part of new technology and techniques the likes of which many have not heard before and certainly had not some 20/30 years ago. The musical ideas however are generally influenced by many styles throughout history....JUST LIKE ALL MUSIC (you think Dubstep is the first to make a riff that goes from the root to the flat 2, ahhhh so much to learn). So when you see "YOUR" genre influencing other artists, don't be surprised. Accept this development of your new favorite style as the nature of art taking it's course. Has the majority of what the average hipster/dj show attendee interprets as dubstep now begun to cater to the lowest common denominator? I say absolutely. Will the real song writers in the genre stand out from the cliche, song-less, mainstream, no depth beats? You betcha. Unfortunately it may take time. Just like with all genres and I assume all other art forms you have to search for the most creative in the genre or form. You have to be turned on to them by people who know about the style. Are you shocked or think it's a new thing for pop music to be dominated by 'which songs are most easily marketable to 12 year old girls?' Then go to a book store and read the section in Frank Zappa's autobiography where he gives a famous speech to a composers graduating class about the anecdotal "Debbie." It will amaze you at how long this junk has been going on. Whoever has access to the most disposable income dictates who gets the marketing choice. It's as old as the 50s and 60s at least as far as I can tell. If people spent half the time they did clinging to their temporary definitions of this particular genre to instead studying music and music history, perhaps we would have a genre DOMINATED not only by great producers, but also great SONG WRITERS! See, in the end it's the song writing and originality (this I define as a fresh new combination of old ideas) that will make or break the shelf life of any genre. Dubstep producers, I challenge you to raise up from the world of 'beat making' or 'one big drop with no melodic elements or defining elements or an intro that has nothing to do with the drop' ideas. If we wanna give this genre any credibility when it goes mainstream and it will (or maybe already has), we gotta speak to history of music. Dubstep has it's place in a chain of musical development that is 1000's of years old. In this chain of influence and re-combining old ideas, the deep music listeners (I wish I were speaking of the mainstream, but hey if you do it right, in the right context most people are ready to listen) who have always paid close attention to the development electronic music and seen it as part of the chain, will easily pass over regurgitated undistinguishable beats. Dubstep is still young and has lots of room to go. It is unfortunate that so many folks with so little depth have chosen the lowest common denominator sound and thus giving most people the impression that they can easily 'put their finger' on exactly what Dubstep is. The genre certainly used to have more mystique when it was MORE DIVERSE! So I guess what I'm saying is....don't worry about Rusko and more people related to a style you like earning more opportunities to succeed. Don't allow people to pigeon whole their idea of exactly what dubstep is. Don't get mad.....GET CREATIVE!

too long; did not read.

^thanks for letting us know your reading abilities, try hooked on phonics

ah, the short attention span of kids these days. how will you guys ever get an education if you can't read a paragraph thats less than 500 words?

FluidMoShun wrote:

basl wrote:I wouldn't call that dubstep, imo.
These are a few 'rules' for music to be real dubstep:
-140-ish bpm (or 70)
-nice kick/snare on 1st/3d.
-nice bassline
-no pop-vocals (preferably no singing) & an awesome sample
-has to drop round the 17th beat (or the 34th) (if I'm not mistaking, started 'producing' like a week or 3 ago)
-preferably vinyl releases, or web.
-not to be known to anyone who's not in the dubstep scene.

Yeah that's about it. Of course this is my personal list, yours could be different.
Yet this eliminates Britney and Borgore very nicely, doesn't it?

This needs to be faaaaar more specific.. You can't allow ideas to go unboxed.

Btw guize, I heard Mala is producing the next Miley Cyrus album

Wow my two favourite artists. I wish they would collab!

dubstep_scum wrote:

joeki wrote:Abandoned him long ago.

OMG was absolute shite. With the exception of one track.

Rusko hasn't produced anything worthwhile for 2 or 3 years. End of story.

So true, im gonna assume the track is District line? Such a tune.