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Psychedelics have way more of a spiritual, eye opening experience than molly. Even smoking weed is different once your mind has been expanded and is more flexible. They open you up to the internal and external universes.

Molly can also show you how people are whores to their neurotransmitters.
Don't get me wrong though, Molly can be useful and shows you the extent of man's happiness capabilities. It can be a spiritual and grounding experience. I wouldn't say as much as a properly executed psychedelic trip, but then again a proper molly trip can be really great.

I'd recommend trying both in moderation to see both sides. Molly is based around feeling and psychedelics are based around thought. You can bump one up one of those bands like you would eq, but don't jack that shit too high ya know? Your brain is easily expanded, you stretch out the psychedelic side your mind will be way more active cognitively. Too far though and reality will seem too plastic. You stretch out the feel good type drugs, your reference for feeling is going to be expanded. Too far and everything will feel dull and your general satisfaction with things will be lessened.

So basically, don't fuck your mind too hard or it'll end up with a loose pussy

And I wouldn't fuck with either till you're out of high school man. You'll seriously be glad you waited till your brain developed completely. Especially with molly and other amphetamines, you can fuck up your neurotransmitter levels and end up super depressed when you get to be in your 20's. There's also a drop off so it's never as fun as the first several times. Save up the good trips for when you can fully appreciate them.

You'll inevitably come out of it realizing how great weed is and how it really is all you need. It's the perfect balance of everything. Treat the other two as once in a while experiences. Every couple months or so is an alright interval. The psychedelics set you on track and are like mental and spiritual therapy. Molly is pretty much just for fun, but it can be useful for emotional therapy. If you can take it easy and use them as tools, you can ride em out and prolong getting burned out. They can teach you a lot about yourself and other people if you use them correctly


The painkillers and antidepressants are something to avoid in my opinion. Extreme dependence is not a good habit to condition yourself with.

For instance, tonight I got baked and I'm eating a piece of apple glazed cake with pecans and caramilk icecream. It rivals the bliss of a molly trip but doesn't feel as artificial. Can't even eat on molly. Weed combines well with pretty much anything.

leyenda303 wrote:

magma wrote:

mylon wrote: would you say just like taking it and hanging out with a few friends at home would be fun?

It's great. You might find you all want to turn the stereo on and have a dance, but it can be a really nice staying in drug... it's a social drug though, definitely.

It's honestly the best experience my brain has ever had that wasn't LSD... and LSD is a few-times-in-a-life drug if you don't want to end up crafting hats from your Mum's tin foil... MDMA you could do once a month for the rest of your days and probably* be fine.

All of the alternatives manage to get certain elements of it right, but it *never* feels the same. I hate to sound like a hippy, but there's a spirituality to the MDMA experience... I'm absolutely not religious, but MDMA made me understand why people are... I have a sneaking suspicion that 'religious experiences' brought on by immense faith and meditation probably boil down to similar behaviours in the brain as the combination of MDMA, music and friends/strangers/people.

*you might be a bit moody.

Not disagreeing with you that it's got a spiritual side to it but in honesty certain psychedelics have a greater spiritual side to them in my opinion.

You're not disagreeing with me at all.

SunkLo wrote:For instance, tonight I got baked and I'm eating a piece of apple glazed cake with pecans and caramilk icecream. It rivals the bliss of a molly trip but doesn't feel as artificial. Can't even eat on molly. Weed combines well with pretty much anything.

i once didn't eat for over a day and took about .4 / .5 of a gram of MDMA around a local scummy town (wakefield for those who know)

ended up being kicked out of a couple of bars for being to off it and as it was my mates birthday i said i'd go back as i didn't want to ruin anything.

got a little tummu rumble so i stumbled into subway gurning my face off whilst having eyes as big as the moon. ordered a footling sub to submans surprisment, sat down and watched him watch me eat it all in 2 mins flat.

he came over and said something that i can't really remember what but he had his mind blown.


another thing slightly less related but my mum had an operation on her foot on NYE so my dad came round at 1AM smashed on top quality pills. she noticed and he asked if it was a problem (bare in mind they're both old hacienda ravers so me and my parents are well open about drugs) and she said no, only on the condition that he eats a cream cracker without a glass of water.

apparently it took him half an hour and he was reduced to tears.

gwa wrote:apparently it took him half an hour and he was reduced to tears.

LOL

SunkLo wrote:For instance, tonight I got baked and I'm eating a piece of apple glazed cake with pecans and caramilk icecream. It rivals the bliss of a molly trip but doesn't feel as artificial. Can't even eat on molly. Weed combines well with pretty much anything.

Nah, you just THINK you can't eat...I was once surprised with a 3 course meal just as I started coming up...At first I felt really ill and didnt think I could do it, but once I started...My God, the bliss! The bliiiiiiiiiiiiiss!

Also to whoever talked about parents and drugs, my parents know and while they don't really like it they respect that I'm careful and not dicking around. Thanks mainly to me pouring my heart out to them about my drug use while having a horrible trip on mushrooms. Saying that I recently had a beautiful chat with my parents while I was tripping on acid, they were totally supportive of me and gave their blessing...It was nice

On Friday night I danced all night on MDMA for the first time. Usually for me, MD is a sit-down-with-a-blanket-and-some-friends-and-chat-for-HOURS drug, and its definitely what I'd recommend if you're interested in the "deeper" side of drug taking. But I enjoyed Friday night a hell of a lot, and it made realise that I love house and am proud.

Kochari wrote:Nah, you just THINK you can't eat

Although it is possible to eat through it, there are actual physical reasons to why you struggle to eat on mdma and other stimulants. They all cause your smooth muscle to contract, hence dick shrinkage and potential erectile dysfunction, meaning that your stomach shrinks which causes an appetite decrease. As a side effect of this muscle contraction peristalsis in the throat simply stops happening, or it does so at a dangerously slow speed. This means that even if you can swallow stuff, there's a very slow and dry journey to your stomach. It's potentially fatal to eat on strong stimulants as there's a crazy high choking risk.
Pre-mdma I always have like a massive burger king or another huge calorific meal, gives me all night rave energy and stops me from getting hungry at any point in the night.

rave safe xxxxx

i had a fairly small amount of MDMA last friday night, i didnt eat anything on saturday at all and didnt even notice, had a bacon sarnie on sunday, followed by nothing on monday. don't ever do that, force yourself to eat, my stomach and entire digestive system was absolutely fucked for days afterwards, it's only just back to normal now

supersize burger king meal at 9pm, start dropping bombs at 10pm, maccy ds breakfast at 7-9am then, always sorted
i can always eat double sausage and egg mcmuffins no matter how fucked i am, i've got most of my mates in a similar cycle every rave. Pre-party burger king and post-party mcdonalds and you feel right as rain the rest of the day, no hunger pains or nausea
if i've had a particularly heavy night, like i've boshed well over half a g in a night (i'm not a hardcore raver like gwa so my tolerance is usually non existent when i go out) i usually swing by mcdonalds on the way home and buy a tenners worth of double sausage and egg mcmuffins, go home and take loads of opiates and blaze til i fall asleep, then periodically when i wake up i'll have a mcmuffin. usually takes about 6 hours of drifting in and out of sleep to finish them off
all these stnuc who campaign against mcdonalds saying its unhealthy clearly don't know how often a tactical mcmuffin has saved my life

Well - tried some fairly large (50-60mg) doses of Methoxetamine this weekend and last, after being informed about it on here, and in serious need of a good old psychedelic trip. Both time's it's been absolutely fantastic.

I've always been a massive fan of ketamine, but have always had to steer fairly clear, since bladder problems run in my family, and using it a couple times caused it to very rapidly catch up to me. So this seemed like a god-send to me.

Both times I did it at home, on my ones, while my flatmate was out (he doesn't care, it was just a coincidence). They both started out as a plan to experiment on really small doses that got dragged out.

Overall, it's absolutely brilliant, versatile stuff. Speeded my thoughts up like crazy and takes whatever you chuck into it and turns it abstract. Last week I'd been working on a business plan for most of the day, and spent nearly the whole trip expanding on it with crazy ideas, filling up a sketchbook and laughing maniacally about how rich I was going to get (slightly out of character) and sorting out the whole trajectory on my life - floating about my new hometown, thinking of people. I found that whilst a lot of logical thought was confused, it's still relatively easy to stay on subject. This time I spent the entire time drawing, painting and smoking cigarettes, before crawling into my bed with D Bridge's autonomic podcasts and going on a journey. It's really cosy shit, which often can't be said for ketamine, which makes me squirm and roll when I'm in bed.

A lot better than ket in many respects. Found it a lot more euphoric, found the abstract thoughts to be much clearer, and sped up to a rate where really amazing, practical stuff can come out if directed. With some psychedelics, I find that they tend to make your thought processing a bit useless, but I actually found a lot of insight in these two sessions.

Also, I've always found that ketamine makes me feel a bit nauseous, and generally just a bit sickly in higher dosages - like poisons's running through you. Didn't find that so much with this stuff. No hangover, no come down, feel great and creative and motivated the next day. Altogether, I'd put it right up there. It's about as morish as K. I've never really had any trouble with sensibilities when it comes to this kind of shit, but people who do might have some trouble.

The only down side can be said for most RC's - it's hard to tell what it's actually doing to you in the long run. I've heard a couple of reports of people feeling that they might be permanently impaired mentally from seriously chronic use (although even a report stated this after getting through a gram over the space of a month) - which worries me enough to be very sparing with it.

So yeh, grade A shit - helped me revamp my love of music and creativity. Properly mixed and recorded on vinyl for the first time in quite a while - and loved it again for the first time in a while - today, in the afterglow.

hayze99 wrote:The only down side can be said for most RC's - it's hard to tell what it's actually doing to you in the long run. I've heard a couple of reports of people feeling that they might be permanently impaired mentally from seriously chronic use (although even a report stated this after getting through a gram over the space of a month) - which worries me enough to be very sparing with it.

Could you link me to these reports?

gwa wrote:another thing slightly less related but my mum had an operation on her foot on NYE so my dad came round at 1AM smashed on top quality pills. she noticed and he asked if it was a problem (bare in mind they're both old hacienda ravers so me and my parents are well open about drugs) and she said no, only on the condition that he eats a cream cracker without a glass of water.

apparently it took him half an hour and he was reduced to tears.

Apart from your Mum having a fucked up foot, there is nothing about this story I don't like.

mylon wrote:Do any of you guys take pictures of drugs haha.
My friend likes to take pictures and he took some nice ones of our latest pick-up last night.
I thought that since this was a general drug thread, it would be a cool place to share.
http://i.imgur.com/7sbXV.jpg

Photographic evidence of your illegal activities? Sounds like an accident waiting to happen.

mylon wrote:

jameshk wrote:

mylon wrote:Do any of you guys take pictures of drugs haha.
My friend likes to take pictures and he took some nice ones of our latest pick-up last night.
I thought that since this was a general drug thread, it would be a cool place to share.
http://i.imgur.com/7sbXV.jpg

Photographic evidence of your illegal activities? Sounds like an accident waiting to happen.

For all anyone knows, I could have taken that off the internet. Are the cops going to find out who I am and arrest me?

The feds can track you down more easily than you think mate, best start wearing a tin foil hat aswell.

Where are the drugs? The link I clicked on just showed some weed.

SunkLo wrote:Where are the drugs? The link I clicked on just showed some weed.

HAHAHA HOW WITTY GOOD SIR